Supporting Trump, now a religion?

[omega2xx]

You just resorted to the RW talking point. "Creator" has no reference to god or a religion. The founding fathers were mostly deists. Deists view nature as their 'creator.'

You must understand that RW media plays the religion card and lies about the founding of the nation so you continue supporting the corporate republican party. It's a trick.

The usual LF rhetoric. Most of those responsible for the constitution, bill of rights etc were Christians. Even if they were deists, that means they had some belief in God.

If "Creator" has not reference to God, who doe sit have a refernce to?

The LF media plays the scare cared and the race card. They are the liars and you are supporting them. How sad.

What is pathetic is the reaction of the Left to Trump's victory. The students don't have to go to class and needs a puppy to pet. Wait until they get into the real world.

 

[omega2xx]

Is not a valid argument.

That depends on if my faith has the right object.

 

[omega2xx]

That is a good determining assertion. I much prefer the Gods that are honest, and live up to their shortcomings, rather than the god that acts like Trump and goes on about how great and perfect he is.

If a god has shortcoming, it is not a God.

And yet, he hates his enemies, and those who disagree with him or insult him. Double standard?

If you understood the Bible, you would know that statement is false.

 

[Flame]

That depends on if my faith has the right object.

It would be, if you could prove it as "right" beyond your faith.

 

[omega2xx]

Nor did they say "god." They said creator, and through sexual reproduction, our parents created us.

I ask you who the Creator was, why didn't you answer?

Our parents did not create us, they use the God given process by which were born.

 

[omega2xx]

It would be, if you could prove it as "right" beyond your faith.

I won't worry about your opinion unless you can prove me wrong.

 

[Flame]

I won't worry about your opinion unless you can prove me wrong.

Then I won't worry about your opinion until you can prove it right. So it seems we are an impasse.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Most of those responsible for the constitution, bill of rights etc were Christians.

The usual Christian Right rhetoric. Because the individual's beliefs clearly outline their governance of others. People in power are incapable of separating their personal beliefs from what's best for a nation, apparently.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Don't have to recite anything. We are just looking at results.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

If a god has shortcoming, it is not a God.

Shortcomings like anger, jealousy, lack of forethought, etc?

If you understood the Bible, you would know that statement is false.

You mean if I possessed your understanding of your book. There are clear statements that your god has enemies and hates them. To require his followers to do the opposite is hypocrisy.

I ask you who the Creator was, why didn't you answer?

I refer you again to Post #148

Our parents did not create us

This is as preposterous a statement as saying that the raped body can "will away" a pregnancy.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Don't have to recite anything. We are just looking at results.

Silly BSM1... we are looking at the results of the economic policies that were in place PRIOR to the current POTUS taking office. When and IF tRump prepossess and passes economic legislation THEN you get to give him credit for any economic advancements the country might make in terms of economics.

You're really not all that bright, are you? But then, you support the clown in the WH, so nuff said.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

The constitution our founding father penned was not the only thing they wrote, silly person.

Indeed. The Treat of Tripoli definitively states the US was Not--repeat NOT founded as a "christian nation".

Thanks for reminding me!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How silly. l Constantine played on part in determining the canon of scripture.

So you agree: Constantine invented christianity, by fabricating the first Official Christian Bible™.

And then he went on to murder anyone who refused to join his newly-minted cult.

Without that program of mass murder and forced conversion? The silly death-cult that was "christianity" would have died off like last years harvest.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Even sillier. Red Acts 11:26 on the book you have never read.

Re-written to fit the narrative. Duuuhhhh... show me a NON-BIBLICAL source.

What? You can't?

Interesting....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

But these little groups did not prevail, not even Luther. Try reading the history of the canon instead of myths and legends.

Of course they were wiped out! Constantine quickly instructed his army to murder any and all non-canon cults. Anyone NOT paying homage to the self-appointed "god" Constantine?

Was brutally murdered. This went on for generations--well after Constantine died-- he set the stage, for a continued history of murder of non-official "christians" by the newly invented Church.

Why do you think we call that period in history, the DARK AGES? Hmmm?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Not only are you ignorant of the Bible, you are even more ignorant of it history.

LMAO! delusional as always... that is the Genuine Christian Way™.

 

[omega2xx]

The usual Christian Right rhetoric. Because the individual's beliefs clearly outline their governance of others.

The left is just as guilty

People in power are incapable of separating their personal beliefs from what's best for a nation, apparently.

Some are, some are not. Most are not, and every year it seems to get worse.

 

[omega2xx]

Shortcomings like anger, jealousy, lack of forethought, etc?

There is such a thing as righteous anger. A loving God should get angry over how some people are treated. If God doe snot get angry about Isis, He is not a loving God. Same thing with jealously. If God loves me and i am worshiping another god, jealously would be an indication of His love for me, I have no idea what "lack of forethought" refers to.

You mean if I possessed your understanding of your book. There are clear statements that your god has enemies and hates them. To require his followers to do the opposite is hypocrisy.

Only 1 person in the Bible does it say God hated, Esau. IMO, God hated what Esau represents. Esau is called, immoral, godless and unrepentant(Heb 12:17), Esau was a twin and IMO, his brother, Jacob, represents the spirit and Easu represents the flesh.

I refer you again to Post #148

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/supporting-trump-now-a-religion.197828/page-8#post-5176933

I'll go back and check it.

This is as preposterous a statement as saying that the raped body can "will away" a pregnancy.

Only to those who don't understand it.

 

[omega2xx]

Indeed. The Treat of Tripoli definitively states the US was Not--repeat NOT founded as a "christian nation".

Thanks for reminding me!

IMO, America was never a Christian nation, but it was a lot closer to being one when the constitution was written, than it is now.

I don't understand why non-believers cant' see the connection that as America has gotten farther away from God, the worse we have become.

 

[tytlyf]

The usual LF rhetoric. Most of those responsible for the constitution, bill of rights etc were Christians. Even if they were deists, that means they had some belief in God.

If "Creator" has not reference to God, who doe sit have a refernce to?

The LF media plays the scare cared and the race card. They are the liars and you are supporting them. How sad.

What is pathetic is the reaction of the Left to Trump's victory. The students don't have to go to class and needs a puppy to pet. Wait until they get into the real world.

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The word "Creator" in the founding documents has nothing to do with god(s). Deists view nature as their creator. Which is the secular/atheistic position. The constitution in America is a secular document, governing a secular society.
The founding fathers weren't christian, they were escaping religious persecution from christians. No where in school was anyone taught that christians founded America. The only people who play that card is RW media. And they're not an honest/moral bunch anyways.