Yes, someONE was there. God.
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Suppose evolution was refuted, then what?
- Thread starter Matthew78
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Yes, someONE was there. God.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Let us take your "debate" as an example, shall we?
I cannot take your position seriously because you refuse to learn from your mistakes.
You present flat out lies as though they are true in order to argue your strawmen.
That is not serious debate to anyone who is outside your particular choir.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
this is nothing more than a bold unsubstantiated claim based solely on your need for god.
Like I said, hard to take such nonsense seriously.
I think rusra02 has been convinced by fellow creationists that lying is a form of serious debating.
Remember, that's all they have.
I agree, your god couldn't have just spontaneously made itself. That would indeed be impossible.
I think rusra02 has been convinced by fellow creationists that lying is a form of serious debating.
Remember, that's all they have.
And yet, it is you that can do little more than ridicule and accuse anyone who disagrees with you with lying. But the facts speak for themselves.
That is a frequent argument from the evolutionist faithful when someone challenges their theory. "_____ (fill blank with whoever dares question evolution) is lying and is not a serious person. He is not a biologist, or anthropologist, or geologist, and therefore is "ignorant, stupid, or insane."
And yet, scientists who are biologists and geologists, and millions of persons that many ToE advocates look down their nose upon, continue to question... , refute, and refuse the Kool-aid.
Right. And how did that stuff in a different state get there?
lunakilo
Well-Known Member
riley2112
Active Member
come on now. nothing + nothing = nothing
you need to go alittle deeper than that
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Even 0 is "something" not "nothing". It's still a value that can be manipulated.Whoooa! Be careful .. you are now "extrapolating" into uncharted territory .. that's NOT a conclusion based on the big-bang theory! We simply can't make conclusions about what was BEFORE! :no:
Our intellect serves very well to see that something physical that is expanding from an infintely dense 'something' means that the universe is coming from an infinitely small 'something' .. and as delta-x/delta-y --> 0, leads us to believe that "there was nothing there before"
Our proposed answer is just as valid as your claim about "quantums", which is actually quite meaningless to the majority of us .. and also meaningless in a scientific context, as 'general relativity' has broken down, don't forget
But you are right... we can never be sure about the exact properties of what was before the universe, because universal constants cease to be. And ultimately the "something" vs. "nothing" argument can become one of semantics.
I was just pointing out that Big Bang doesn't propose the universe came out of nothing. Any further than that and I start getting way over my head... I'm a biologist not a physicist. :faint:
wa:do
On the other hand I'm a good example of how being really knowledgeable in one field of science doesn't make you qualified to pontificate about other fields.
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It has been proven that energy can be turned into matter and matter into energy. The true God has unlimited energy to create matter. It is as Isaiah 40:26 confirms:
"Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing for the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." How simple yet scientific an explanation for the universe.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Only in your mind, I think.
Yup, they're so rigorously forbidden you won't find a single organisation or website promoting them, not anywhere. Get real, rusra: alternative 'evidences' are being pushed vigorously all over the place, often by very wealthy and well-connected concerns: it's the pure intellectual nothingness of those 'evidences' that prevents them from having an impact.
Best way to avoid ridicule: don't be ridiculous.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
If time began along with the universe, then there was no "time" when it didn't exist.
So some form of energy has always existed. How does one infer that there was any intelligence or agency behind it?
McBell
Admiral Obvious
And here again we see a prime example of you telling flat out lies in order to attack your strawman.
Matthew78
aspiring biblical scholar
The only thing that would be scarier is if rusra had a doctorate in science and aimed to become the next Henry Morris.
Matthew78
aspiring biblical scholar
Oh, I'm done with this thread now. You're right. It's pointless.