Ebionite
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The data doesn't lie, and lies don't kill, but injections with "safe and effective vaccines" do.
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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid
- Thread starter Kenny
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Based on all the expert medical people who were silenced for fear of reprisals. You called them ignorant charlatans while the other group calls your group - money hungry people
You have a very strange concept of bias
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
If a bat carries the virus bites a different species of animal, mutations can and sometimes do occur.
The point is that the scientific community has no consensus on what caused the covid-19 emergence.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The data tells us the opposite of that. Where did you get that crazy claim from?
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
The truth doesn't operate by consensus.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Research doesn't rely on consensus, nor does peer review.
IOW, the stats speak for themselves.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No, they do not. That is a falsehood.
Nobody has ever demonstrated this. Including yourself.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Oh boy, a Fox News meme with zero context!
Not helpful in the slightest.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
"All the expert medical people who were silenced" ... ?
How many and who are they? How were they silenced? Where is their data?
People have been making claims like this regarding vaccines for decades now. I don't find them to be any more accurate now than why they first started popping up like, thirty years ago.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
We're talking about consensus of the evidence\data.
Four high-profile doctors who are challenging the COVID-19 response - Washington Examiner
Medicine has long benefited from robust debate among practitioners, scientists, and scholars, but the response of the United States and other nations to the COVID-19 pandemic has left some highly acclaimed doctors believing their field is in the grip of dangerous groupthink. White House COVID-19...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Medical boards get pushback as they try to punish doctors for Covid misinformation
Medical boards have sanctioned eight physicians since January 2021 for spreading coronavirus-related misinformation, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Actually… if you search, you will find
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
The Washington Examiner is about as "reliable" as Fox: Washington Examiner - WikipediaFour high-profile doctors who are challenging the COVID-19 response - Washington Examiner
Medicine has long benefited from robust debate among practitioners, scientists, and scholars, but the response of the United States and other nations to the COVID-19 pandemic has left some highly acclaimed doctors believing their field is in the grip of dangerous groupthink. White House COVID-19...
Medical boards get pushback as they try to punish doctors for Covid misinformation
Medical boards have sanctioned eight physicians since January 2021 for spreading coronavirus-related misinformation, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.www.politico.com
Actually… if you search, you will find
Secondly, when a supposed news outlet puts forth "information" that can trick and kill innocent people, that's where I believe the government can and should reluctantly step in because of what's in the Preamble of the Constitution "...provide for the general welfare....".
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
This was in response to, "Based on all the expert medical people who were silenced for fear of reprisals. You called them ignorant charlatans while the other group calls your group - money hungry people."Four high-profile doctors who are challenging the COVID-19 response - Washington Examiner
Medicine has long benefited from robust debate among practitioners, scientists, and scholars, but the response of the United States and other nations to the COVID-19 pandemic has left some highly acclaimed doctors believing their field is in the grip of dangerous groupthink. White House COVID-19...
Medical boards get pushback as they try to punish doctors for Covid misinformation
Medical boards have sanctioned eight physicians since January 2021 for spreading coronavirus-related misinformation, according to the Federation of State Medical Boards.
Actually… if you search, you will find
1.Dr. Robert Malone
Malone is a vaccine scientist who, in the late 1980s, performed foundational research that helped establish mRNA vaccine technology used in the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines. He appeared on a New Year’s Eve episode of the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, which rocketed him to viral stardom. In the podcast, which has been scrubbed from YouTube and Twitter but uploaded to the Congressional Record by Texas Republican Rep. Troy Nehls, Malone characterized the all-hands-on-deck federal vaccination push as an example of “mass formation hypnosis,” a psychological phenomenon that gave rise to the Nazi Party in 1930s Germany.
So, by being "silenced" he means that his interview on Joe Rogan's podcast has been "scrubbed from YouTube and Twitter" ... ?
Okay, I just did a quick YouTube search and found a ton of results for Robert Malone on the Joe Rogan podcast.
So, it's not like this guy actually carried out studies and his data was censored or anything like that. He wasn't going on podcasts in some desperate attempt to share his data with the world or something. Nope, he was whining about group think and trying to (ridiculously) compare mass vaccination programs to Nazism.2. Dr. Marty Makary
Makary is a professor at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and a fixture for the last two years on Fox News Channel, where he often takes issue with Fauci and the broader U.S. government response to COVID-19. He has been especially critical of what he believes is the federal public health apparatus’ ignorance of the natural immunity acquired by those who survive COVID-19 infection. Fauci and other public health officials under the Trump and Biden administrations, Makary argues, have placed too strong an emphasis on getting vaccinated as being the only way to prevent severe infection and death due to the virus.
“You can spin science just like one can spin politics and the art of selective outrage or selective focus on part of the story,” Makary told the Washington Examiner.
So again, this guy doesn't have any data to share. Just his personal opinions. He doesn't like Fauci. Oh and he apparently was pushing for "natural immunity" which means having to first contract COVID. Not great medical advice, really.
He also apparently is unaware that the risk of myocarditis is much higher from actually having COVID than it is from contracting it from the vaccine:
"In addition to decrying the government's unwillingness to recognize natural immunity, Makary also opposes what he sees as an all-out government campaign to vaccinate young, healthy people without fully considering potential adverse effects, such as myocarditis, a type of heart inflammation that has occurred in some cases following mRNA vaccination, primarily in young men."
Myocarditis seven times more likely with COVID-19 than vaccines
COVID-19 infections carry a higher risk of myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart muscle — than the COVID-19 vaccine, according to a recent study by Penn State College of Medicine scientists.
COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines
The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.
3. Dr. Peter McCullough
This dude was a pusher of hydroxychlorquine and invermetin for treatment of COVID, neither of which have been demonstrated to be effective treatments.
So this guy was pushing potentially dangerous and unevidenced medical advice. 'Nuff said.
I think that's enough.
That is totally unsupported by the evidence.
You know what actually killed a million people? COVID.
I’m not talking about “general welfare”, I am talking about “freedom of speech” and the lack thereof.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But I don't have the right of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater unless there's a fire. IOW, freedom of speech has limitations. If I publicly called you "UGLY!" as you seem to be in your avatar, I still could be sued for "defamation of character". However, can you squeeze blood out of a turnip?
But we aren’t talking about “yelling fire” but rather a portion of the medical profession not agreeing with another portion of the medical profession. Challenging of positions, medically speaking, should be encouraged and not discouraged.But I don't have the right of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater unless there's a fire. IOW, freedom of speech has limitations. If I publicly called you "UGLY!" as you seem to be in your avatar, I still could be sued for "defamation of character". However, can you squeeze blood out of a turnip?
exchemist
Veteran Member
Don't be disingenuous: "a portion" indeed! What we had was a handful of fringe and crank views vs. the vast majority of medical expertise worldwide, with the fringe/crank view being amplified massively out of proportion, by people with a stupid political (not medical) agenda. It is the same basic phenomenon that we see with creationism and climate change denial, but far more dangerous due to the potentially serious health consequence for those who fell for the misinformation.
And there was free speech: these crank views were widely available to anyone interested. But that does not mean that respectable media, or discussion forums or whatever, were duty bound to publicise it.
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I don’t think we can take what a few have done and then use a broad brush and say “anyone who disagrees is a crank and a fringe element”.