Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

[Revoltingest]

Also, we've seen myriads of protests whereas some outsiders will try and take advantage of the confusion, and BLM repeatedly has spoken out against them as they're as most of their leadership take a non-violent position.

That's a pretty lame excuse for the violence at
BLM riots, ie, the no-true-demonstrator fallacy.
It reminds me of MAGAs claiming that gov't
agents did the same to them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Trump can say whatever he wants but he isn’t responsible for their actions.

They are all adults.

Plenty of politicians have disputed election results, there is nothing illegal about that.

Not true. One can lie all that one wants. Usually it is legal. But it is not legal to lie to accomplish an illegal deed. For example you cannot take advantage of the fact that you know a neighbor will not be able to contact his wife and kids for a short time to lie to him and tell him that you have kidnapped his wife and kids and that he has to rob a bank for you. That is illegal. Trump lied to foment a riot with the intent of disrupting the acceptance of Joe Biden's victory. He lied to get others to perform an illegal act. That is not legal.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not true. One can lie all that one wants. Usually it is legal. But it is not legal to lie to accomplish an illegal deed. For example you cannot take advantage of the fact that you know a neighbor will not be able to contact his wife and kids for a short time to lie to him and tell him that you have kidnapped his wife and kids and that he has to rob a bank for you. That is illegal. Trump lied to foment a riot with the intent of disrupting the acceptance of Joe Biden's victory. He lied to get others to perform an illegal act. That is not legal.

He never told them to riot, now you are just making stuff up.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Yes, they were, actually. Had you watched the impeachment hearings, you'd know the crowd was following along with Trump's tweets and reading them aloud for the angry mob to listen to.

There is even video footage of the insurrectionists inside the Capitol building telling security and police to get out of their way because their boss Trump sent them.

Your comments seem ill informed and somewhat naïve.

Trump did not tweet during the riot but hey why don’t you post these mysterious tweets you claimed were sent out during the riot.

You guys are literally just writing your own narrative of the event at this point and it gets more ridiculous each time.

What a joke.

 

[metis]

He never told them to riot, now you are just making stuff up.

Not that specific terminology, but...

Timeline: What Trump said before Jan. 6 Capitol riot

In the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, President Donald Trump repeatedly said he wanted his supporte

www.politifact.com

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not that specific terminology, but...

Timeline: What Trump said before Jan. 6 Capitol riot

In the weeks leading up to the Jan. 6 riot at the Capitol, President Donald Trump repeatedly said he wanted his supporte

www.politifact.com

Like I said, he never told them to riot

And think about this, Trump offered to send 10,000 guard troops to DC before Jan. 6th and Pelosi refused them.

Is that something a man pushing for a riot would do?

 

[metis]

Like I said, he never told them to riot

And think about this, Trump offered to send 10,000 guard troops to DC before Jan. 6th and Pelosi refused them.

Is that something a man pushing for a riot would do?

Pelosi could not do that as long as either the president or the vice president were not available as there's a legal "pecking order".

So, it appears that your laziness applies here as well as there's no way you could have had the time to read my link.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Pelosi could not do that as long as either the president or the vice president were not available as there's a legal "pecking order".

So, it appears that your laziness applies here as well as there's no way you could have had the time to read my link.

Yes there is a pecking order.

The sargeant of arms of the house and the sargeant of arms has to request them or accept them. At the time they were controlled by Pelosi and McConnell.

Trump offered to stage 10,000 troops ahead of the protest which McConnell accepted but Pelosi refused against the advice of the head of the capital police.

When asked why she refused she said Trump never made it an official offer which means she is trying to cover up the fact that it was actually her fault.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump did not tweet during the riot

Yes he did.

It is important to understand the chronology of this.

This is after violence had begun, after the insurrectionists had broken into the building, and after Trump had been informed that his own Vice President was in danger and the crowd was chanting "hang Mike Pence".

Knowing all that, Trump tweeted out this:

"Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"


You need to understand, at that point Trump could have tweeted out anything he wanted, he could have denounced the violence, he could have asked people to leave, he could have expressed concern for Pence or for Pence's family who were also there. He could have said something to try calm the situation and de-escalate. But he chose that.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump offered to stage 10,000 troops ahead of the protest which McConnell accepted but Pelosi refused against the advice of the head of the capital police.

Complete lie.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Complete lie.

You should tell that to Pelosi because she says it happened.

Lol

 

[fantome profane]

You should tell that to Pelosi because she says it happened.

Lol

source

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Yes he did.

It is important to understand the chronology of this.

This is after violence had begun, after the insurrectionists had broken into the building, and after Trump had been informed that his own Vice President was in danger and the crowd was chanting "hang Mike Pence".

Knowing all that, Trump tweeted out this:

"Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"


You need to understand, at that point Trump could have tweeted out anything he wanted, he could have denounced the violence, he could have asked people to leave, he could have expressed concern for Pence or for Pence's family who were also there. He could have said something to try calm the situation and de-escalate. But he chose that.

That was before the riot not during it.

 

[fantome profane]

That was before the riot not during it.

No, it was during the the violence. That is why I was very clear about the chronology.

Capitol Riot Timeline: From Trump's First Tweet to Biden's Certification

The timeline of the Capitol riot has played a significant role in prosecutors' attempts to prove several defendants conspired to stop Joe Biden's victory from being certified.

www.newsweek.com

1:45 the rioters pushed past the police line.
2:00 they force their way into the building.
2:20 Congress is evacuated
2:24 Trump tweets out
"Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"


(p.s. it was not until 6:10 that Trump tweeted they insurrectionists should "go home".

 

[Tinkerpeach]

No, it was during the the violence. That is why I was very clear about the chronology.

Capitol Riot Timeline: From Trump's First Tweet to Biden's Certification

The timeline of the Capitol riot has played a significant role in prosecutors' attempts to prove several defendants conspired to stop Joe Biden's victory from being certified.

www.newsweek.com

1:45 the rioters pushed past the police line.
2:00 they force their way into the building.
2:20 Congress is evacuated
2:24 Trump tweets out
"Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution"


(p.s. it was not until 6:10 that Trump tweeted they insurrectionists should "go home".

They didn’t listen to him when he told them to protest peacefully so why would they listen to him to go home?

 

[fantome profane]

They didn’t listen to him when he told them to protest peacefully so why would they listen to him to go home?

They did listen to him when he told them to go home. Maybe they would have gone home earlier if he had told them to, the point is he didn't even try. Ashli Babbitt was shot at 241/243 pm. Maybe she would still be alive if Trump had tried. We will never know.

Are you going to admit you were wrong when you said Trump didn't tweet during the insurrection?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump did not tweet during the riot but hey why don’t you post these mysterious tweets you claimed were sent out during the riot.

Yes he did. Sounds like you should have watched the hearings. It was all laid out for you. Someone even linked them for you on this thread.

The mob listened to him after his family members finally convinced him after like, 3 hours to finally tweet to them that they should go home.
That's when they began to disperse.

You guys are literally just writing your own narrative of the event at this point and it gets more ridiculous each time.

What a joke.

That appears to be you, as you seem to be missing a ton of relevant information.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes there is a pecking order.

The sargeant of arms of the house and the sargeant of arms has to request them or accept them. At the time they were controlled by Pelosi and McConnell.

Nope.

“The speaker of the House does not have the power to block an order from the commander in chief,” Drew Hammil, deputy chief of staff for Pelosi, told The Dispatch Fact Check via email. “This is fiction.”

Josh Huder, a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Government Affairs Institute, similarly told The Dispatch Fact Check that “the speaker does not have control of any branch of the armed services.”

“The National Guard can only be activated by the president or a governor,” Huder added. “In the case of D.C., it can only be mobilized by the president of the United States.”

Fact Check: Did Pelosi Reject Trump’s Request for National Guard Troops on January 6?

A claim from Donald Trump Jr. is false.

thedispatch.com

Trump offered to stage 10,000 troops ahead of the protest which McConnell accepted but Pelosi refused against the advice of the head of the capital police.

"A statement from Ryan McCarthy, secretary of the Army under Donald Trump, on the “National Guard response to timing and coordination with other States,” does not mention Trump’s request for a National Guard presence, nor does it mention anything about Pelosi rejecting the alleged request. A section of the statement reads:

During a rapidly evolving situation Wednesday Jan. 6, the Department Defense was fielding uncoordinated calls from hundreds of elected officials requesting and offering assistance to respond to the unprecedented breach of the U.S. Capitol Building. The Army and the D.C. National Guard were coordinating with the federal Capitol Police and the local D.C. Metropolitan Police Department to assist with an immediate response. Secretary McCarthy first spoke with Governor Hogan at 4:40 p.m. on Jan. 6, where he thanked Governor Hogan’s offer to provide support. Secretary McCarthy thanked Gov. Hogan for his support and ensured him his service members will be taken care of and provided a point-to-point contact.

Also, it’s with noting that during the first day of hearings by the January 6 committee, Rep. Liz Cheney said: “Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day, and made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. But Mike Pence did each of those things.”

Fact Check: Did Pelosi Reject Trump’s Request for National Guard Troops on January 6?

A claim from Donald Trump Jr. is false.

thedispatch.com

When asked why she refused she said Trump never made it an official offer which means she is trying to cover up the fact that it was actually her fault.

Well, that's Trump's story, anyway. And it appears to be a lie.

"CLAIM: Former President Donald Trump signed an order to deploy 20,000 National Guard troops before his supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but was stopped by the House sergeant at arms, at the behest of Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While Trump was involved in discussions in the days prior to Jan. 6 about the National Guard response, he issued no such order before or during the rioting. Speaker Pelosi does not control National Guard troops."

Trump did not sign an order to deploy 20,000 troops on Jan. 6

New footage released Thursday of House lawmakers on Jan. 6 has sparked a resurgence of false claims and conspiracy theories about the insurrection.

apnews.com

"District of Columbia officials knew of the planned protests and had requested some assistance when the "First Amendment demonstrations" were planned for Jan. 5 and 6, McCarthy said. Based on this request, officials called up 340 National Guardsmen to help. The Guardsmen were assigned mainly to traffic control, Metro crowd control, some logistics support and a 40-member quick reaction force to be based at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.

"No other requests were made," the Army secretary said."

DOD details National Guard response to Capitol attack

WASHINGTON – Once the reality of the assault on the U.S. Capitol became apparent, National Guard troops responded appropriately and with alacrity, Department of Defense officials said in a phone

www.nationalguard.mil

"Former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller told the House select committee investigating the Capitol Hill insurrection that former President Donald Trump never gave him a formal order to have 10,000 troops ready to be deployed to the Capitol on January 6, 2021, according to new video of Miller’s deposition released by the committee."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/politics/chris-miller-house-select-committee/index.html

 

[SkepticThinker]

You should tell that to Pelosi because she says it happened.

Lol

No, she doesn't.

Lol

And again, if you'd watched the hearings, you'd have seen the footage of Pelosi and Schumer holed up in a safe room, desperately making calls to neighbouring governors begging them to send their National Guard troops.

You really need to watch the hearings.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That was before the riot not during it.

It was during.