Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

[F1fan]

I wonder if any Democrats in power called for a stop to the BLM riots and looting as it progresssed?

Of the hundreds of protests there were very few incidents. I understand you want to make it appear worse. Let's note that BLM were blacks and white protesting police brutality, not attacking the US Capitol to stop the election count for the loser. Did they really think it would work? Not too smart.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

1. There shouldn;t have been a protest in the first place since the election fraud claim was a total lie. 2. Trump said mixed things over the time from before the election until Jan 6. Of course his followers did what they think TYrump wanted. Many have stated in court that they believed they were following Trump's wishes. Trump supporters aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, so no wonder so many have been arrested. 3. Trump finally told them to go home, and they did. It was too late by then, and damage done. Why Trump did not tell them sooner is likely part of his corrupt nature.

They were filming and posting all day, so obviously they were on their phones. That is how they all got identified and arrested later. Not too smart. First rule of Crime Club is: DON'T FILM YOURSELF doing the crime and then post it on the internet. They didn't even realize they were committing crimes?

I notice you avoid saying how, which suggests maybe you just have no rebuttal. Your sympathy for Trump is noticable.

Trump can say whatever he wants but he isn’t responsible for their actions.

They are all adults.

Plenty of politicians have disputed election results, there is nothing illegal about that.

 

[F1fan]

Trump can say whatever he wants, he has freedom of speech but he is not responsible for actions others take.

Actually all rights have limits. Are you aware of this? Remember Trump lost a court case for libel, TWICE. The guy just doesn't learn.

As far as Trump he is facing 4 indictments and as a crimina defendnat he has to follow certain rules of conduct. He is violating these rules that apply to all criminal defendants. That he is breaking the rules only shows his level of corruption is extensive. If he gets a gag order, which I think is likely, he will be prohibited from saying certain things about his legal cases. If he violates the court order he will face some sort of penalty. We don't know what the judge will decide, but the situation is serious and Trump is pushing his luck.

That is a weak argument besides he did concede the election.

On a few occassions he has. But his narative continues to be the Big Lie, that he won, and there was election fraud. He has no evidence and his followers don't care. The majority of his followers think he won and was stolen from him. Zero evidence.

In case you aren't aware there is a criminal investigation of his fund raising using misleading claims. More fraud. Not just Trump University fraud. Not just Trump Charity fraud. Not just tax fraud. So his troubles keep growing.

Plenty of people have challenged election results in the past.

Using the law, not violence, not fraud. Trump's fraud and lies have gotten a lot of people in trouble, and ruined his family. Foolish people sided with him.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Actually all rights have limits. Are you aware of this? Remember Trump lost a court case for libel, TWICE. The guy just doesn't learn.

As far as Trump he is facing 4 indictments and as a crimina defendnat he has to follow certain rules of conduct. He is violating these rules that apply to all criminal defendants. That he is breaking the rules only shows his level of corruption is extensive. If he gets a gag order, which I think is likely, he will be prohibited from saying certain things about his legal cases. If he violates the court order he will face some sort of penalty. We don't know what the judge will decide, but the situation is serious and Trump is pushing his luck.

On a few occassions he has. But his narative continues to be the Big Lie, that he won, and there was election fraud. He has no evidence and his followers don't care. The majority of his followers think he won and was stolen from him. Zero evidence.

In case you aren't aware there is a criminal investigation of his fund raising using misleading claims. More fraud. Not just Trump University fraud. Not just Trump Charity fraud. Not just tax fraud. So his troubles keep growing.

Using the law, not violence, not fraud. Trump's fraud and lies have gotten a lot of people in trouble, and ruined his family. Foolish people sided with him.

How long did he spen in prison for those libel cases lol

 

[F1fan]

Trump can say whatever he wants but he isn’t responsible for their actions.

Not entirely true. If you know anything about the Nuremburg trails of Nazi war criminals many of the Nazis did not directly order any killing, but they were in a position of power and used their position to get otehrs to perform acts. That is how they were held legally liable. The Jan 6 riot would not have happened if Trump never lied about election fraud.

They are all adults.

Irrational and manipulated adults. How many cried and regreted following Trump after they were sentenced? Mature adults knew better than to support Trump.

 

[F1fan]

How long did he spen in prison for those libel cases lol

You don't understand much about law. Those are civil crimes, not criminal. But thanks for acknowledging that his speech was a violation of law.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Not entirely true. If you know anything about the Nuremburg trails of Nazi war criminals many of the Nazis did not directly order any killing, but they were in a position of power and used their position to get otehrs to perform acts. That is how they were held legally liable. The Jan 6 riot would not have happened if Trump never lied about election fraud.

Irrational and manipulated adults. How many cried and regreted following Trump after they were sentenced? Mature adults knew better than to support Trump.

They were going to execute the nazis regardless.

Calling them trials is ridiculous.

 

[F1fan]

They were going to execute the nazis regardless.

False, the sentences followed the cases and evidence. Albert Speer was given only 10 years. Georing was given the death sentence due to his involvement with party politics.

Calling them trials is ridiculous.

You don't strike me as a well informed person.

 

[SkepticThinker]

He didn’t participate, he held a political rally then left before it even started.

He wasn’t there.

He was there. He held a political rally that drew the people there that would later march down to the Capitol building. He told them he was going to March with them. The only reason he didn't, was because he was apparently stopped from doing so by the Secret Service.
The original rally wasn't planned until January 20th on Biden's inauguration day. Trump and co. had it moved up to January 6th. So those people were there at Trump's behest.

Also, the events of January 6th have already been adjuvated as a resurrection in several courts across the country and there are currently people serving a lot of time for organizing and participating in said insurrection. The entire thing centered around Trump - it was his insurrection.

 

[metis]

See I he didn’t participate meaning you can’t keep him off the ballot.

This **** is so obvious it boggles the mind why democrats would waste the courts time

Did you listen to his interview aired on NBC yesterday?

 

[SkepticThinker]

It doesn’t work like that lol.

There is a chain of command specifically so a president does not have access to a personal military unit.

There are many people involved in this chain, starting with the mayor and there were many delays from many issues, all of which had nothing to do with Trump.

Nice try

Yes it does work like that.

All he had to do was send a Tweet to his followers to stop and go home. He did not. He sat and watched and relished the moments. He even stoked the fire and wrote some terrible tweets about Mike Pence as an angry mob was chanting "Hang Mike Pence."

 

[SkepticThinker]

There's also the matter of "I was only following orders".

There's also the matter of history teaching us that that is not a valid excuse.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump told them to protest peacefully and they ignored him so why do you think they would start listening all of a sudden.

And do you really think the rioters were watching their twitter feeds while storming the capitol?

Your comments are just getting more ridiculous the more you type

Yes, they were, actually. Had you watched the impeachment hearings, you'd know the crowd was following along with Trump's tweets and reading them aloud for the angry mob to listen to.

There is even video footage of the insurrectionists inside the Capitol building telling security and police to get out of their way because their boss Trump sent them.

Your comments seem ill informed and somewhat naïve.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of the hundreds of protests there were very few incidents. I understand you want to make it appear worse. Let's note that BLM were blacks and white protesting police brutality, not attacking the US Capitol to stop the election count for the loser. Did they really think it would work? Not too smart.

I think you harm your case by dismissing the violence
of BLM, & how the left so easily excused it. That violence
(greater than the Jan 6 insurrection) was wrong too.
But BLM malefactors & enablers didn't stage a coup.
They took over city halls, but not the Capitol. And this
wasn't a movement driven centrally, unlike Trump's
MAGAs acting on his read-between-the-lines exhortations.

I see a significant legal difference between the left's
irresponsibility, & Trump's treasonous behavior.
The left should be chastised.
Trump should be prosecuted.

 

[Revoltingest]

False, the sentences followed the cases and evidence. Albert Speer was given only 10 years. Georing was given the death sentence due to his involvement with party politics.

You don't strike me as a well informed person.

I think that many well informed people
just cannot accept information that
runs counter to strongly held beliefs.
This is currently evident with MAGAs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nice deflection and completely off base with that incredibly ridiculous analogy.

People kill for a cause or purpose. People don't kill for murder. Lol.

Please think it through next time before pressing the reply button.

You should not use terms that you don't understand either. My analogy was spot on.

 

[F1fan]

Did you listen to his interview aired on NBC yesterday?

I watched about 10 minutes. Trump was just saying his usual lies, and he was getting away with it. Welker is good but she was following the rules of journalism too closely for a liar like Trump. This is why journalists are just giving him a platform to lie and deceive that much more. I'd like to see Medhi Hasan interview Trump, he is very well informed and does not allow lies as answers. Ramaswami had a terrible interview with Hasan a few weeks ago, and was exposed for some deceptive claims.

 

[F1fan]

I think you harm your case by dismissing the violence
of BLM, & how the left so easily excused it. That violence
(greater than the Jan 6 insurrection) was wrong too.
But BLM malefactors & enablers didn't stage a coup.
They took over city halls, but not the Capitol. And this
wasn't a movement driven centrally, unlike Trump's
MAGAs acting on his read-between-the-lines exhortations.

I see a significant legal difference between the left's
irresponsibility, & Trump's treasonous behavior.
The left should be chastised.
Trump should be prosecuted.

I think you are embellishing the BLM incidents. Isn't it funny how people fighting for their civil rights against the government and police are looked down upon when they are black and liberals? Is it odd that white supremacists caught creating riots at BLM protests don't get mentioned when using these marches as an example of how bad BLM was as a movement?

 

[metis]

Ramaswami had a terrible interview with Hasan a few weeks ago, and was exposed for some deceptive claims.

Oh ya, I saw that, and he really had Ramaswami in a sweat as he kept laughing as he probably thought this would cover up his idiotic statements.

 

[metis]

I think you are embellishing the BLM incidents. Isn't it funny how people fighting for their civil rights against the government and police are looked down upon when they are black and liberals? Is it odd that white supremacists caught creating riots at BLM protests don't get mentioned when using these marches as an example of how bad BLM was as a movement?

Also, we've seen myriads of protests whereas some outsiders will try and take advantage of the confusion, and BLM repeatedly has spoken out against them as they're as most of their leadership take a non-violent position.