Surprising lack of knowledge among theists.

[Scuba Pete]

Unfortunately, you don't seem to be able to distinguish between the bigotted views and the non-bigotted ones. It seems that you lump all people who agree with anything Dawkins says as just as bad or nearly as bad as he is. The things Dawkins says that come off to you as bigotted seem to influence your view of everything he says.

Re read what I said, Einstein. You missed the point.

 

[Magic Man]

As I mentioned earlier, he makes this kind of bigotry palatable. Sad that.

This was the original quote that was responded to. What I'm saying is that your personal dislike of Dawkins leads you to believe that opinions of his make him bigotted, even though they don't. You might disagree with them, and claim them to be completely false and moronic, but they don't make him a bigot. I see you do that, and then jump on people who agree with him without really responding directly to the argument at hand. You label Dawkins a bigot without good reason, so if someone agrees with one of Dawkins's notions that isn't bigotted to begin with, they aer labelled a bigot too, by association.

 

[fantome profane]

Re read what I said, Einstein. You missed the point.

Yet when Dawkins says that people should read the Bible you interpret this statement as being bigoted against Christianity. Why is that?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Yet when Dawkins says that people should read the Bible you interpret this statement as being bigoted against Christianity. Why is that?

Well, there is an out and out misrepresentation of what I have said. But, thanks for playing!

 

[Magic Man]

I surely didn't attack YOU.

But when you bring us a "study" with absolutely no links to that study and no way for us to verify it, I am going to question it's veracity. When that study comes from a BIGOT, I will be glad to point that out as well. Dawkins cares very little about the truth: he has quite another agenda.

Yet when Dawkins says that people should read the Bible you interpret this statement as being bigoted against Christianity. Why is that?

Well, there is an out and out misrepresentation of what I have said. But, thanks for playing!

If that's a misrepresentation of what you said, I'd love to know what Dawkins has said that makes you label him a bigot. I'd say form this, that FP's understanding was a fair representation of what you said. If you didn't mean it that way, maybe you could clarify for us.

 

[Willamena]

If that's a misrepresentation of what you said, I'd love to know what Dawkins has said that makes you label him a bigot.

That view is explained on the first page of this thread: "he consistently portrays Christians as being stupid, lazy and intellectual frauds" re his books and quotations.

 

[Magic Man]

That view is explained on the first page of this thread: "he consistently portrays Christians as being stupid, lazy and intellectual frauds" re his books and quotations.

Yet when Dawkins says that people should read the Bible you interpret this statement as being bigoted against Christianity. Why is that?

Ok, but that only supports this statement by FP, and seems to me to make it a fair representation of what Pete said. I figured there must be some other reason for Pete to call Dawkins a bigot, if FP misrepresented what he said. I assume that the OP is one of those quotations that gives Pete this view of Dawkins's portrayals of Christians.

 

[Autodidact]

That view is explained on the first page of this thread: "he consistently portrays Christians as being stupid, lazy and intellectual frauds" re his books and quotations.

And yet he could not provide a single quote of Dawkins doing any of these things.

 

[logician]

Dawkins merely makes arguments to support his case that the probability of the existence of a supernatural creator is close to zero, and that the theory of ID simply doesn't work. I don't see where you can get "bigot" from that.
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[fantome profane]

Well, there is an out and out misrepresentation of what I have said. But, thanks for playing!

Then I apologize. It was not my intention to misrepresent you. But when MidnightBlue started a poll based on the OP of this thread you indicted that you believed that Dawkins’ point was “All theists are ignorant”, “Christians are hypocrites”, “Christians are ignorant” and “Christians are stupid”. Now of course these are not your words, simply your selection of the choices presented in the poll. But if this is a misrepresentation of what you believe please by all means clarify what it is you think Dawkins’ point is. When Dawkins says that people should read the Bible how do you interpret his statement?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Ok, but that only supports this statement by FP, and seems to me to make it a fair representation of what Pete said.

In a stunning move today, mball1297 proved that black was indeed white. Tomorrow he will endeavor to prove that the JFK assassination WAS a conspiracy.

 

[Magic Man]

In a stunning move today, mball1297 proved that black was indeed white. Tomorrow he will endeavor to prove that the JFK assassination WAS a conspiracy.

And in an even more stunning move, Pete has managed to ignore all requests for clarification of his position. In a bold move, he has decided that it's not important to show how fantome profane, or anyone else for that matter, has misrepresented his position, or even respond to any of the others comments and questions about him. Nope, apparently it's good enough to make the claim without any explanation whatsoever.

It seems that Pete is not actually concerned with a discussion, but merely content to throw accusations about without backing them up. Stay tuned for more unsupported claims.

 

[Scuba Pete]

And in an even more stunning move, Pete has managed to ignore all requests for clarification of his position.

You have not asked for any clarification. You have merely stated what you feel I believe. The rest of your post is as pathetic in it's vitriol as this very first statement.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I figured there must be some other reason for Pete to call Dawkins a bigot, ...

Probably Dawkins' palpable bigotry, but that's just a guess.

 

[fantome profane]

You have not asked for any clarification.

I did.

Then I apologize. It was not my intention to misrepresent you. But when MidnightBlue started a poll based on the OP of this thread you indicted that you believed that Dawkins’ point was “All theists are ignorant”, “Christians are hypocrites”, “Christians are ignorant” and “Christians are stupid”. Now of course these are not your words, simply your selection of the choices presented in the poll. But if this is a misrepresentation of what you believe please by all means clarify what it is you think Dawkins’ point is. When Dawkins says that people should read the Bible how do you interpret his statement?

 

[Valjean]

In a stunning move today, mball1297 proved that black was indeed white. Tomorrow he will endeavor to prove that the JFK assassination WAS a conspiracy.

But it was a conspiracy....

 

[Magic Man]

You have not asked for any clarification. You have merely stated what you feel I believe. The rest of your post is as pathetic in it's vitriol as this very first statement.

As Fantome just pointed out, he did. Also, usually in a debate each side presents its case with supporting arguments to clarify its position. If one side misrepresents the other side, it's customary for the other side to explain why it was a misrepresentation rather than just pointing out that it was one.

Sorry for the vitriol. It seemed from your post to which I was responding that you felt it was a good way to communicate, so I thought I'd try to get through to you that way.

So, do you have anything productive to say, or are you going to continue with unsupported accusations?

 

[Magic Man]

Probably Dawkins' palpable bigotry, but that's just a guess.

Cool. Then I guess it shouldn't be hard to produce quotes from him to support this position, right?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told - religious Jews anyway - than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolise American foreign policy as far as many people can see. So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place."

 

[logician]

Then the XIan belief that atheists wills suffer eternal punishment because of their refusal to accept the saving gace of god is also a bigoted belief? (i.e atheists have an inferior belief system.)