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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Yeah, you've come out almost exactly where I did.

But the test is crap. For some unfathomable reason they treat the left-right axis as one based solely on the degree to which one supports free market economics. But anyone who knows anything about politics will tell you the left-right axis is not primarily about that at all, but is far more complicated, involving views on issues to do with tradition, support for institutions and roles in society, the role of the church, attitudes to the military, attitudes to labour and the poor, and so on.

These guys have just cooked up a superficial computer programme and pretend they are telling you something profound. They aren't.
I have to say, I think you're being a bit harsh. While no test of human thought, based on a mere 60 or so questions, can ever do justice to what we're really about, I think it's possible to establish some markers of where we stand.

I say this especially since most members here are American, where you get exactly 2 choices (Republican or Democrat) to work out all the nuances of political and social thought. At least in Canada, where I live, 5 parties (and sometimes more) can contribute meaningfully to the political debate -- and in minority government situations, as we have in Canada right now, other, minority parties can have an actual voice -- that's a good thing, in my view.

And to be fair, the Compass doesn't pretend to measure everything, and yet I think it's also true that some of your concerns (like "tradition") are actually included in part because there strong adherence to values of the past, in whatever sphere of life, tend to be reflected by shifts either to the right or up on the scales of the Compass, while flexibility in viewing how others may organize their politics and their social personas tend more towards the left or downwards.

So, while certainly not perfect, and not a huge predictor of who you'd vote for if presented with types you've not seen before (like in pre-war Germany or Italy), I think the Compass can help people organize their thoughts a little more easily.

Life's complicated, and sometimes, a little oversimplification can help us sort things out.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I look over the test and it is missing a middle ground answer: No opinion. On several of the questions I read I had no opinion one way or the other and could not chose that option. So I felt disinclined to take a test that forcefully skews the results.
Many people who design such tests have found that where they permit a "true middle," people tend to cluster there out of fear of being "wrong." So if you give people the choice of:

Strongly disagree, disagree, no opinion, agree, strongly agree

They will form a bell curve with the vast majority in the 3 middle choices.

Altering that so that even "no opinion" must be expressed as either "a little more this way" or "a little more than way" can have the effect of giving a better over social picture.
 

Secret Chief

Very strong language
This was in another thread recently....:shrug:

Anyhoo, I came out somewhere in the bottom left, rather lower than I expected. Revoltingest suggested a different test as I recall.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nolan chart is a good one.
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The above one has some politicians ranked.
But the below one has better labeling.
nolanchart.jpg
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I'm a little lower & to the right of you...down at a 45 degree angle.
I don't remember my numerical coordinates anymore though.
Lonely in the purple quadrant, ain't it?
Isn't that lower right, purple quadrant the one that says, "if you can fool people into buying poison, take the profit and run?" It's where the term "caveat emptor" comes from, I believe. :rolleyes:

To those of us situated a bit to the left of you, the concern is often that the masses aren't so much universally gullible, as they're just not up to catching all the tricks that sociopathic enterprises can dream up.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Isn't that lower right, purple quadrant the one that says, "if you can fool people into buying poison, take the profit and run?"
Yup, that's what I do....leaving a trail of bodies, but making a mint.
Your type just micromanages people's lives....for their own good.

Wow...that was fun!
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
This is where I ended up. I've taken this before, although I'm not sure if I got the same results as last time.

chart
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
QFe7ov0o1OD6jFPbA8Z02e-dIzlmoU_1b57gY_0BTXo.png


The above one has some politicians ranked.
But the below one has better labeling.
nolanchart.jpg
Very well, sir, I have dutifully taken your suggested test. And I am, unsurprisingly to me, and I suspect unsurpisingly to you, Centrist, Libertarian, Left:

I can't snag the picture, so draw a little red "X" on the 50% Economic Freedom line where it crosses the 65% Personal Freedom line, and there I am.
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Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Yup, that's what I do....leaving a trail of bodies, but making a mint.
Your type just micromanages people's lives....for their own good.

Wow...that was fun!
I think you've misjudged me. I don't micromanage -- I just establish some boundaries, which I think is rather human, all things considered. And I did your Nolan Test, and I'm a moderate. I like some rules, in the context of general freedom -- on your side of the Personal Freedom spectrum, by the way.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think you've misjudged me.
Oh, I thought the game was to make mischievously extreme
characterizations of each other. You were serious about me?
You'd better lock up the valuables & man the parapets!
I don't micromanage -- I just establish some boundaries, which I think is rather human, all things considered. And I did your Nolan Test, and I'm a moderate. I like some rules, in the context of general freedom -- on your side of the Personal Freedom spectrum, by the way.
OK.
But I'm much more extreme on the personal freedom axis.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Oh, I thought the game was to make mischievously extreme
characterizations of each other. You were serious about me?
By way of a personal aside (right here in public), one of the reasons I don't get top marks in the humour category is that I've always been too earnest in trying to relate to other people. The way I grew up made acceptance by others my holy grail. It's the worst thing about me -- especially for me.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
By way of a personal aside (right here in public), one of the reasons I don't get top marks in the humour category is that I've always been too earnest in trying to relate to other people. The way I grew up made acceptance by others my holy grail. It's the worst thing about me -- especially for me.
Acceptance by others?
They're the least worthy of it.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Does anyone have any idea why this question is included?:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I think for people of any political stripe, the answer to this question depends on the enemy. It's a question of situational strategy, which anyone (libertarian, authoritarian, left, or right) could conceivably answer yes or no to, depending how they interpret. Or is this measuring some personality variable characteristic of one of the four?

(Incidentally, I'm another left libertarian, basically smack in the center of the quadrant.)
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Does anyone have any idea why this question is included?:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I think for people of any political stripe, the answer to this question depends on the enemy. It's a question of situational strategy, which anyone (libertarian, authoritarian, left, or right) could conceivably answer yes or no to, depending how they interpret. Or is this measuring some personality variable characteristic of one of the four?

(Incidentally, I'm another left libertarian, basically smack in the center of the quadrant.)

For me it proves wrong because we've seen how that plays out in the Islamic world, and it is a very flawed ideal.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Does anyone have any idea why this question is included?:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

I think for people of any political stripe, the answer to this question depends on the enemy. It's a question of situational strategy, which anyone (libertarian, authoritarian, left, or right) could conceivably answer yes or no to, depending how they interpret. Or is this measuring some personality variable characteristic of one of the four?

(Incidentally, I'm another left libertarian, basically smack in the center of the quadrant.)

I thought the astrology question was odd.
 
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