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[Shadow Wolf]

...See? You never knew we had so much in common, did you.

I'm a communist, anti-Capitalism, and opposed to Conservative politics (unless you've underwent a realignment?). From our posts w and seem to have little in common.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm nearly all the way to the right on that graph...as I recall.

That's what I thought at first, that we basically near perfect opposites. But I couldn't remember for sure. Nothing like a good "ish" suffix to cover one's uncertainty.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I'm a communist, anti-Capitalism, and opposed to Conservative politics (unless you've underwent a realignment?). From our posts w and seem to have little in common.

Speaking of what she said, I'm still finding a lot in common with the conservatives and far rights here, I think. Well the ones that can take my rather harsh rhetoric about the current state of affairs whenever political threads pop up.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Speaking of what she said, I'm still finding a lot in common with the conservatives and far rights here, I think. Well the ones that can take my rather harsh rhetoric about the current state of affairs whenever political threads pop up.

Social conservatives are a group I'm least aligned with, also one of the more problematic groups for me as this is a group with members who do target people like me. It's not so bad now (unlike Indiana, I can count all the Confederate flags Ive seen here on one hand), but in Indiana, for one reason or another, this was a group I had to be cautious with.
With economic conservatives, classic liberals I have some agreements with, but the neo-Cons and neo-Libs there is little common ground. The same goes for Paleo-Cons. Doesn't mean I can't get along with them, but at the end of the day we are people with very different views.
And, this is of course political stuff. Outside of that, the common stuff I can amd do have (common childhood stuff is how I discovered Enoch isn't really an old man and not much older than me, and then finding out we have quite a bit in common like music tastes - I found our group conversationthat night pleasant).

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Social conservatives are a group I'm least aligned with, also one of the more problematic groups for me as this is a group with members who do target people like me. It's not so bad now (unlike Indiana, I can count all the Confederate flags Ive seen here on one hand), but in Indiana, for one reason or another, this was a group I had to be cautious with.
With economic conservatives, classic liberals I have some agreements with, but the neo-Cons and neo-Libs there is little common ground. The same goes for Paleo-Cons. Doesn't mean I can't get along with them, but at the end of the day we are people with very different views.
And, this is of course political stuff. Outside of that, the common stuff I can amd do have (common childhood stuff is how I discovered Enoch isn't really an old man and not much older than me, and then finding out we have quite a bit in common like music tastes - I found our group conversationthat night pleasant).

I did enjoy the threads where it was myself, you, Enoch, and Obsydian.

 

[Heyo]

I'm a little lower & to the right of you...down at a 45 degree angle.
I don't remember my numerical coordinates anymore though.
Lonely in the purple quadrant, ain't it?

A "little"? You were extremely right and extremely libertarian. I remember because your numbers were almost exactly a mirror image of mine.

 

[Heyo]

That's what I thought at first, that we basically near perfect opposites. But I couldn't remember for sure. Nothing like a good "ish" suffix to cover one's uncertainty.

Mirror, not opposite. Enemies on economy, allies on freedom.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Mirror, not opposite. Enemies on economy, allies on freedom.

We're pretty much on polar opposites when it comes to x/left/right coordinates.
Now, with that said we dont disagree on everything economics. Outside of the "big question" of private enterprise or public ownership, we agree on things more often than we disagree.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A "little"? You were extremely right and extremely libertarian. I remember because your numbers were almost exactly a mirror image of mine.

He is far right, like I am far left, but saying extreme doesn't really capture either of us. We're more likely to cower in a corner over a bomb than go blow something up. We also lack the zealous adherence to dogma that the extremist has.

 

[Heyo]

We're pretty much on polar opposites when it comes to x/left/right coordinates.
Now, with that said we dont disagree on everything economics. Outside of the "big question" of private enterprise or public ownership, we agree on things more often than we disagree.

I just created a thread about UBI that may rattle the cage of those in the purple quadrant. Looking forward to some heated debate.

 

[ratiocinator]

Pretty much the same as last time...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I just created a thread about UBI that may rattle the cage of those in the purple quadrant.

Revoltingest was the first person I heard mention and advocate it.

 

[Heyo]

Revoltingest was the first person I heard mention and advocate it.

Damn, there goes my heated debate.

 

[exchemist]

So you're further right than I am. Hilarious. I agree the test is crap.

Exactly. I'm slightly right of centre on the European spectrum and have been a Conservative voter for much of my life post university. That makes me cryptocommunist on the US spectrum, I imagine.

I have to say, I think you're being a bit harsh. While no test of human thought, based on a mere 60 or so questions, can ever do justice to what we're really about, I think it's possible to establish some markers of where we stand.

I say this especially since most members here are American, where you get exactly 2 choices (Republican or Democrat) to work out all the nuances of political and social thought. At least in Canada, where I live, 5 parties (and sometimes more) can contribute meaningfully to the political debate -- and in minority government situations, as we have in Canada right now, other, minority parties can have an actual voice -- that's a good thing, in my view.

And to be fair, the Compass doesn't pretend to measure everything, and yet I think it's also true that some of your concerns (like "tradition") are actually included in part because there strong adherence to values of the past, in whatever sphere of life, tend to be reflected by shifts either to the right or up on the scales of the Compass, while flexibility in viewing how others may organize their politics and their social personas tend more towards the left or downwards.

So, while certainly not perfect, and not a huge predictor of who you'd vote for if presented with types you've not seen before (like in pre-war Germany or Italy), I think the Compass can help people organize their thoughts a little more easily.

Life's complicated, and sometimes, a little oversimplification can help us sort things out.

My objection to it is that, historically, espousal of free markets is essentially a liberal, not a conservative, position. (People used to say of Margaret Thatcher that she was really a radical free market liberal, and not a Tory.) So the whole thing strikes me as completely cock-eyed.

 

[Secret Chief]

Usual gripe of mine about This test. The authoritarian/libertarian axis. I appreciate there are degrees along the axis but they are not terms, as a Brit, I would "recognise." In my ignorance I would not wish to be described as either authoritarian or libertarian, however they may be described.

Oh, and liberal means different stuff in the UK and the US. It seems to equate to "progressive" in the US? In the UK it means politically centrist. So I would consider myself "progressive", but not (politically) term myself "liberal." (Don't know about other countries).

In current times, regarding adding an axis to the left/right one I would suggest a term differentiating between "outward looking" and "inward looking" might be more relevant. Whaddya thunk?

Overall then: a crap test.

 

[Secret Chief]

I'm a communist, anti-Capitalism, and opposed to Conservative politics (unless you've underwent a realignment?). From our posts w and seem to have little in common.

Shouldn't you be on the other side of some wall somewhere?

 

[exchemist]

So you're further right than I am. Hilarious. I agree the test is crap.

Exactly. I'm slightly right of centre on the European spectrum and have been a Conservative voter for much of my life post university. That would make me a cryptocommunist on the US spectrum, I imagine.

 

[exchemist]

Usual gripe of mine about This test. The authoritarian/libertarian axis. I appreciate there are degrees along the axis but they are not terms, as a Brit, I would "recognise." In my ignorance I would not wish to be described as either authoritarian or libertarian, however they may be described.

Oh, and liberal means different stuff in the UK and the US. It seems to equate to "progressive" in the US? In the UK it means politically centrist. So I would consider myself "progressive", but not (politically) term myself "liberal." (Don't know about other countries).

In current times, regarding adding an axis to the left/right one I would suggest a term differentiating between "outward looking" and "inward looking" might be more relevant. Whaddya thunk?

Overall then: a crap test.

I agree. There was a redrawing of the modern axes of politics a couple of years ago, by that bearded berk who used to advise May and now writes for the Bozograph, which I think was onto something. It divided people into internationalists and localists, more or less. Of course the background was all to do with Brexit, but if you look at people like Trump it seems to have a broader application than just the UK. Remember that speech? "A citizen of the world is a citizen of nowhere."

That was the point at which I started to realise the Conservative party was no longer for me - a view amply confirmed since by Bozilini's clear-out of all the talent in the party and the installation of a bunch of Brexitty 3rd raters. Rather similar to Trump's pathetic bunch of toadies in the White House.

 

[Secret Chief]

I agree. There was a redrawing of the modern axes of politics a couple of years ago, by that bearded berk who used to advise May and now writes for the Bozograph, which I think was onto something. It divided people into internationalists and localists, more or less. Of course the background was all to do with Brexit, but if you look at people like Trump it seems to have a broader application than just the UK.

Please don't think that I read the Bozograph. It can only be a freakish coincidence.

 

[exchemist]

Please don't think that I read the Bozograph. It can only be a freakish coincidence.

I used to read it online, in the run up to Brexit, as I thought it important to keep abreast of what the Brexiters were saying to one another. I've stopped now and taken up the NY Times instead, sine the action is really going to be in the US for the next 6 months. (On Brexit is seems obvious there will be no deal: the Brexiters will hide the economic damage behind that caused by the virus.)