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Argentbear

Well-Known Member
Two born alive babies were given comfort care not care to preserve their life. From the MN Born Alive Infants Protection Act Report. This is post birth abortion and Walz is a POS for signing these changes. It changed Medical Care to just Care.
Finding information about such cases is difficult at best. I did find that one of the above instances the infant had a APGAR score of 1. it had a week and irregular heartbeat but was not breathing, it has no movement and no reflexes. Respiration was attempted but after less than 2 minutes its heart stopped.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
are you saying some lives are worth more than others?
I'm not saying, I am asking.

"Then you are for universal healthcare regardless of lifestyle, wealth, age, etc period?"

Another question.

With limited resources, would you put more effort into saving a 1 year old or a 101 year old?
 

PureX

Veteran Member
So making Minnesota a sanctuary state for child sex change procedures or putting tampons in boys bathrooms, or signing a bill to not give life saving medical attention to a live aborted baby and to stop reporting requirements for live births after an abortion are not progressive actual changes to society?
That comment is just way too idiotic to take seriously.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
So you want to penalize Bill who works this *** off to be better by making him pay more but reward Bob who doesn't care about his health.

Do you not see how ****ed up that is?
Who says Bob isn't working his a** off, just because he is Bill's gardener while Bill sit's by his pool on the phone?

"Do you not see how ****ed up" your assumptions of human value are?
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
I am not a medical person. However, I'm a woman who has been through two full term pregnancies and a few other uterus procedures. I can not imagine an "abortion" resulting in live birth. Maybe back in the midwife coathanger days? Hopefully we won't be forced to go there.

WE'RE NOT GOING BACK!
It happens.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
This illustrates the bias of the right. There is little acknowledgement that reproduction isn't a perfect process as a miracle by God. No, human reproduction is like all other animals and organisms, there are often defects and flaws. My best friend in high school developed mental health problems, along with his two brothers. One brother committed suicide. The other had such severe problems he had to be institutionalized. My friend ended up on medications for life that help him maintain some stabolity, but he can't keep a job, or even be able to live a life that any of us would consider normal. It turned out their dad had a gene that caused the mental health issues. He never should have had kids.

There's a reason parents with a fetus have it checked for abnormalities. Having a deformed or mentally disabled child can require resources a family can't provide. The women who are suing Texas had pregnancies that went bad, and they couldn't get the healthcare they needed because of the extreme nature of the republican laws. These laws are so vague that they don't recognize defects and dying fetuses. All they care about is the medical procedure that ends the preganacy, with no consideration of the medical facts. That's why the right's idealism fails to be pro-life.

If the right was really pro-life they would be out there protesting just as hard for universal healthcare as they do anti-abortion. But they don't. That's why their movement is political and not moral. Any right winger who claims to be pro-life but is against universal healthcare should keep their damn mouth shut.
This is not on topic. But yes you can be anti abortion and against universal health care. But that is off topic as well.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Finding information about such cases is difficult at best. I did find that one of the above instances the infant had a APGAR score of 1. it had a week and irregular heartbeat but was not breathing, it has no movement and no reflexes. Respiration was attempted but after less than 2 minutes its heart stopped.
That is sad.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Who says Bob isn't working his a** off, just because he is Bill's gardener while Bill sit's by his pool on the phone?

"Do you not see how ****ed up" your assumptions of human value are?
With Bob smoking 3 packs per day, he is paying around $6,000-$7,000(half his wages) per year for cigarettes and ruining his health.
So no Bob isn't working his *** off to be better.(key words there)
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Ok just wanted clarification that regardless of wealth, health, age, etc its the same for everyone.

If Bob makes $13,000 per year and Bill makes $13,000,000 per year they are equally covered in universal health care.
Well there will still be premium healthcare services for the wealthy, so BIll will have better access to care. It's the poor and middle class who don't have the resources to buy access to healthcare without going broke that needs a solution. I would think insurance companies would welcome a scenario where they don't have to cover the poor and middle class, and only cater to the wealthiest who will pay what they need to for premium access.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
80% of welfare recipients work and about half of them have more than one job.
If they worked two jobs I don't see how they draw anything.

As I've told this story before...

My wife knew a younger single woman with two kids. She worked full time and was having trouble getting by. She went and applied for a little help.
After everything was done she was told she made just over the limit so she didn't qualify for help but was told... If she would quit her job they would pay for everything(food, housing, untilities, etc).

She was trying so why not help her?
 
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