Tampon Tim

[SkepticThinker]

Often ya just gotta start tearing out walls, floors, &
ceilings until there's access for diagnosis, repair, & rehab.
It'll cost what it'll cost.

Ugh. So what you're telling me is I'm going to be peeing at Tim Horton's for a long time to come.

 

[SkepticThinker]

For those that want to push radical trans agendas nothing.

Whoa, what? We're talking about tampons in school bathrooms, right?

For those that think schools and government shouldn't be in the business of promoting sex changes for children, it is an issue. Nor was this done in a vacuum. Gov. Walz has also other things to promote the state as a "trans sanctuary". For example signing an executive order that shields patients, parents and providers from punishment by other states for seeking and delivering such care. Which allows people to bring children from other states, against the wishes of parents, and get the children's genitals surgically altered without any recourse for the parents.

What does providing tampons in school bathrooms have to do with all of this??

 

[We Never Know]

Well there will still be premium healthcare services for the wealthy, so BIll will have better access to care. It's the poor and middle class who don't have the resources to buy access to healthcare without going broke that needs a solution. I would think insurance companies would welcome a scenario where they don't have to cover the poor and middle class, and only cater to the wealthiest who will pay what they need to for premium access.

Some people only work to get healthcare.

Many who work get insurance through their job.
A few years ago I read where over 50% of Americans get their insurance through an employer.

If health care is free I could see some people quitting work.

 

[Kathryn]

Oligarchs have much too much power - true. SCOTUS made it worse by saying money is speech which increased their power. This is a world-wide problem if you pay attention to what goes on in many nations. Solving it is needed.

And I agree that the Democrats are also dependent on their money. But they at least are not as bad as Republicans. And history proves that the deficit grows more slowly when they're in power so there's at least that as well.

More whataboutism?

 

[F1fan]

This is not on topic. But yes you can be anti abortion and against universal health care. But that is off topic as well.

Sure, the right wing has many beliefs that are morally questionable and hypocritical. Notice you avoid justifying your positions. The "pro-life" label is ironic and hypocritial in practice, which tells us conservatives are more interested in appearances and ideals, and not about moral consistency.

It is a direct answer to your question. ^^^ is avoidance.

A lot of that going around.

 

[Kathryn]

Some people only work to get healthcare.

Many who work get insurance through their job.
A few years ago I read where over 50% of Americans get their insurance through an employer.

If health care is free I could see some people quitting work.

Nothing is really free. But healthcare may be free to some people. I guess we'll wait and see. Meanwhile, 60 percent of us pay some income tax, meaning 40 percent don't, at present.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, water doesn’t run uphill, so that has to be coming from somewhere else. Perhaps a toilet on a floor above, or perhaps where the waste pipe exits through the roof. Or perhaps a water supply line in the wall or ceiling is leaking.

Could it be coming in from like, the outer wall or something? If I walk along the entire side of the building, there seems to be water damage by the windows in all the offices all along the same side where our bathroom is. But it's also coming from underneath and above.

The sooner the leak gets found and stopped, the sooner the mess can dry out, and repairs can be made. If you can’t use the toilet anyway, why wait?

Well, I was waiting because our Landlord keeps telling us he's waiting to hear back from insurance and wait til we hear back and this and that ... only problem is, I don't think he's on top of this at all and he's just giving us the run around. He truly is King of the Cheapskates.

I'm just amazed that every time I check to see if anything's been done, I open the door and there's still water dripping from everywhere.

I don’t know anything about recourse for tenants In that situation. But there may be some help available in your area. Your apartment is not legally livable without a functional toilet. Or if the mold is a health hazard.

It's an office building so I don't know how this works, exactly, but there's a dentist office directly below us that is also leaking from above, apparently. Maybe I should unite with them and stir up some **** about this.

We've been trying to move out of this building for like a year now, but it's hard finding a half decent office building for a decent price around here these days.

I’ve done a lot of remodeling of apartments over the years. Mostly in Chicago but some here as well. I hope your landlord will get on this soon. It sounds like a serious problem.

I'm kind of afraid the floor might cave in ... can that happen?

Thanks for all your help and concern! If my father (plumber/contractor) and grandfather (master electrician) were still around, I would have nipped this in the bud myself long ago.

 

[F1fan]

Some people only work to get healthcare.

There are more costs to life than just gealthcare. There's food costs, housing, transportation, utilities, and entertainment. Your posts suggest none of these exist as crucial to living. Many uninsured have to put whatever money they have to all other areas except healthcare. This is the dilemma, healthcare insurance is a luxury some can't afford, and that means they risk a lot. If they end up in the healthcare system and can't pay their bills, the system absorbs the costs anyway. So why not design a system that offers healthcare to anyone so they don't let illnesses get so far along that the treatment is long and expensive. It is preventative care they keeps costs down. Catching cancers early is cheaper than treatment after cancer spreads.

Many who work get insurance through their job.

Which is a system designed to make it more affordable and keep a work force healthy. Even with these efforts insurance policies are covering less, and costing individuals more.

A few years ago I read where over 50% of Americans get their insurance through an employer.

Yeah, it's a way that helps both the insurers and the insured. If that can work at 50% it can't work to all citizens who aren't wealthy enough to pay for whatever healthcare they need.

If health care is free I could see some people quitting work.

How do they pay their bills? In the last decade I've seen more older folks working minimum wage jobs, like cashiers, and thinking how hard their lives must be that they need to work into their 70's just to survive. Meanwhile the wealthy accumulate more wealth.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How sad and predictable. Your Trump Derangement Syndrome is truly massive. I declare, someone could write "the sky is blue" and you would post "But Trump..." Get a new tune one trick pony.

You didn't address what single thing he said, though.
Just claimed he's deranged.

He made a good point about your "radical" misnomer. And you completely ignored it, which tells us a lot, actually.

 

[Kathryn]

I am retired but too "young" to be on Medicare and I am paying $735 a month, a MONTH, for healthcare. Plus my copays plus more usually.

 

[F1fan]

Nothing is really free. But healthcare may be free to some people. I guess we'll wait and see. Meanwhile, 60 percent of us pay some income tax, meaning 40 percent don't, at present.

Income tax is just one form of taxation. No one can buy anything and not get taxed. Even online purchases get taxed. All that collected money goes towards the infrastructure we rely on to live.

What I suggest is that universal healthcare isn't really free, it is an infrastructure system that is paid for by taxation. And that can be paid for by tax reform, and because workers won't have to pay out of pocket, thus balancing out the cost to the individual, but offering more access to more people. The big picture is helping prevent more chronic illness in the future, thus lowering costs. Getting America healthier is the goal.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nope. It is a fact. Walz never served in any combat. He quit after getting orders to Iraq so he wouldn't have to go. He is a poseur.

LOL I do like your meltdown, though. Tee hee. I will relish it for days. Thanks.

Actually he "quit" before the order went out, after previously serving 24 years. As another poster already pointed out.

You can save your faux outrage.

 

[Kathryn]

Income tax is just one form of taxation. No one can buy anything and not get taxed. Even online purchases get taxed. All that collected money goes towards the infrastructure we rely on to live.

What I suggest is that universal healthcare isn't really free, it is an infrastructure system that is paid for by taxation. And that can be paid for by tax reform, and because workers won't have to pay out of pocket, thus balancing out the cost to the individual, but offering more access to more people. The big picture is helping prevent more chronic illness in the future, thus lowering costs. Getting America healthier is the goal.

Getting the US healthier AND lowering our overall costs is the goal. Not raising our taxes. Lowering them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So any infant born does not have to be given any care to save the life and health of the infant. It just needs "care". They went from a specific mandate to a vague one. They did this to protect abortion doctors if an abortion leads to an alive infant, they don't have to give if medical care to preserve its life.

Yes, the infanct needs care. Of course!
What you don't seem to be realizing here, is that we're talking about infants who are born with severe defects, who are not going to live long.
Providing them with care until they pass away is the most compassionate and ethical thing to do in that situation.
Strict abortion bans in places like Texas, are causing more and more of these births to occur, which is demonstrated in the 13% increase in infant mortality in that state, since they enacted their "heartbeat bill."

What would you suggest instead?

 

[Pogo]

If they worked two jobs I don't see how they draw anything.

As I've told this story before...

My wife knew a younger single woman with two kids. She worked full time and was having trouble getting by. She went and applied for a little help.
After everything was done she was told she made just over the limit so she didn't qualify for help but was told... If she would quit her job they would pay for everything(food, housing, untilities, etc).

She was trying so why not help her?

Yes the system needs work, full time minimum wage is not enough to get by but people like you who object to helping others such that you won't raise minimum wage, support childcare adequately, provide health care other than through her job which at poverty level jobs is basically unheard of.
Result, she can't afford to work and so there you have yourself another welfare queen.

Alternatively you could reallize that this is the objective of universal healthcare, a fair health care policy at taxpayer expense to provide for those whose position on the economic scale does not allow them to afford it otherwise. You can still have your latte provided in the doctor's office if you want to pay for it, but at least everybody has a way to take care of medical needs without betting on luck and ending up in the emergency room when the scratch becomes massively infected because it was the one time in ten it would have been worth the $100 for strip mall health clinic.

Don't blame it on single mother who doesn't want to go back to the abusive husband,
Blame it on yourself because you wouldn't support things like universal health care so she can keep her job and have health care for the two children that knew she couldn't afford the second one but you wouldn't let her get an abortion because she didn't know she was pregnant for two weeks and daycare for two kids is half her daily wage at whatever minimum wage her state says is appropriate for minimally skilled maybe temp employees who may have to take time off for kids.

Look in the mirror if you want to know why.

 

[Kathryn]

Actually he "quit" before the order went out, after previously serving 24 years. As another poster already pointed out.

You can save your faux outrage.

He didn't quit after the orders came out officially, but he did quit after there were many rumors preceding the orders. He even took a lower rank to quit. He also never received any combat pay to my knowledge. I don't think he ever saw a day of combat.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Not arguing. Just looking for you to clarify.

Stipulations such as
-income
-age
-etc

Or say Bob smokes 3 packs a day, Bill doesn't smoke. They both get diagnosed with lung cancer.
Does Bob get equal coverage as Bill even though Bob's cancer is likely due to his own fault.

They both get equal coverage.

You know, basically the entire world, save for the USA has universal healthcare of some type, right? You should read up on that.

 

[F1fan]

Could it be coming in from like, the outer wall or something? If I walk along the entire side of the building, there seems to be water damage by the windows in all the offices all along the same side where our bathroom is. But it's also coming from underneath and above.

Well, I was waiting because our Landlord keeps telling us he's waiting to hear back from insurance and wait til we hear back and this and that ... only problem is, I don't think he's on top of this at all and he's just giving us the run around. He truly is King of the Cheapskates.

I'm just amazed that every time I check to see if anything's been done, I open the door and there's still water dripping from everywhere.

You may be able to report him to the codes department of the city. Negligence can be a public health issue.

It's an office building so I don't know how this works, exactly, but there's a dentist office directly below us that is also leaking from above, apparently. Maybe I should unite with them and stir up some **** about this.

We've been trying to move out of this building for like a year now, but it's hard finding a half decent office building for a decent price around here these days.

I'm kind of afraid the floor might cave in ... can that happen?

Not unless it's been rotting for years. The joists and flooring will not collapse, but the ceiling material could if it is saturated. The biggest concern is mold. Mold is everywhere but it isn't a problem so long as materials do not stay wet. Water and organic materials allow mold to grow and spread.

You might give your landlord a time period to fix the problem and if he doesn't, report it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah that worked/was good in those days. When neighbors helped neighbors. That's not what we are talking about.

You just said you don't think your neighbour should get healthcare if he smokes so ....

 

[We Never Know]

They both get equal coverage.

You know, basically the entire world, save for the USA has universal healthcare of some type, right? You should read up on that.

Yes and its paid for by higher gas tax, etc. if I remember right.
IOW it equals out to more people paying for it.