Tampons too "woke" for conservatives.

[Shaul]

More effective than simple distribution of an item that is needed and provided with no questions, strings or shame attached?

Typical liberal thinking of myopically looking at the "need" to the exclusion of all else. Because there may be a need it doesn't follow that schools should fulfill the need. Students need lots of things. They need food, shelter, clothing, medicine and so much more. It isn't the responsibility of schools to feed, shelter, clothe and provide health care for them just because they need those things. Supplying tampons for students is not an essential expenditure. "It would be nice" doesn't make it necessary or essential.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Supplying tampons for students is not an essential expenditure.

Neither are sports, extra curricular activities, clubs, dances, lunches and transportation.

"It would be nice" doesn't make it necessary or essential.

Fortunately most people have a bigger heart than you and realize a need is a need amd there's just no reason to have barriers, obstacles, doubts, questions and challenges in obtaining that need. We have handicap parking and ramps, we can do tampons and pads.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Typical liberal thinking of myopically looking at the "need" to the exclusion of all else. Because there may be a need it doesn't follow that schools should fulfill the need. Students need lots of things. They need food, shelter, clothing, medicine and so much more. It isn't the responsibility of schools to feed, shelter, clothe and provide health care for them just because they need those things. Supplying tampons for students is not an essential expenditure. "It would be nice" doesn't make it necessary or essential.

Yeah! You tell them. Tampons would save us hardly anything. The real savings will occur when we use the same "logic" for toilet paper next year. And the year after we can cut soap off the list. After all, if they aren't pooping do they really need to wash their hands? And the year after that we cut school lunches. That is a win win since it will cut back on the pressure to poop for the students.

 

[SomeRandom]

The point is quite relevant to whether providing tampons is an essential expenditure at schools. An all boys public schools doesn't need tampons. Ergo there are public schools where providing tampons is not essential.

Well to be fair in an all girls schools I would think they qualify as essential.
Does the US not make any distinction between such facilities in its budget?
Surely such funds would be skipped in an all boys school by default?

I mean we Aussies can do it and we’re a bunch of drunks. Surely the Yanks can make distinctions in budget drafts and simply skip over those facilities. Doesn’t seem that hard to me

 

[Father Heathen]

You seem to think you are the decider what is and isn't "worthless".

And how is what you're doing any different?

 

[Shaul]

And how is what you're doing any different?

It is quite different. I am not taking from people to support anything. Those wanting to take public resources for their purposes are.

 

[Shaul]

Well to be fair in an all girls schools I would think they qualify as essential.
Does the US not make any distinction between such facilities in its budget?
Surely such funds would be skipped in an all boys school by default?

I mean we Aussies can do it and we’re a bunch of drunks. Surely the Yanks can make distinctions in budget drafts and simply skip over those facilities. Doesn’t seem that hard to me

Also not true. Even at an all girls school there are many alternatives for addressing the needs of menstruating students besides using public funds. The point is that it isn't essential the purpose of schools to use public funds for this purpose. Such would be optional.

 

[Shaul]

Neither are sports, extra curricular activities, clubs, dances, lunches and transportation.

Fortunately most people have a bigger heart than you and realize a need is a need amd there's just no reason to have barriers, obstacles, doubts, questions and challenges in obtaining that need. We have handicap parking and ramps, we can do tampons and pads.

Fortunately reasonable people see that responsibility, not need, should determine public policy. Spendthrift is neither sound public fiscal policy nor is it compassionate. Spending other peoples money to assuage one's own sentiments isn't a sign of having a "bigger heart". Quite the opposite. It displays unthinking callousness and arrogance.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Fortunately reasonable people see that responsibility, not need, should determine public policy. Spendthrift is neither sound public fiscal policy nor is it compassionate. Spending other peoples money to assuage one's own sentiments isn't a sign of having a "bigger heart". Quite the opposite. It displays unthinking callousness and arrogance.

So you agree that extra curricular activities, clubs, dances, lunches and transportation should not be provided?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Here are links to two public schools located in Idaho:
Explore The Patriot Center
Explore Siena Elementary School
The first is an all boys high school. The second is an elementary school preschool-grade 5.
Feel free to explain how it is essential that these schools provide tampons.

From the OP:
"The bill would have funded free menstrual product dispensers for sixth through 12th grade students in girls bathrooms at a cost of about $300,000 per year, or $3.50 per student, after a one-time installation cost of about $435,000."

Why you've decided to cherry pick a boys school and an elementary school from all the sixth grade through 12th grade schools in the state seems a tad disingenuous, don'tcha think?

By the way, the article also states that "Idaho is projected to have a $1.4 billion revenue surplus this year." So there goes your argument about it not being affordable, as well.

By the way, I got my period when I was 11 years old. So did my niece. That's in fifth grade.

 

[SkepticThinker]

1) I don't necessarily believe you.
2) Public policy isn't based on exceptional cases. And girls beginning their periods that early are exceptions.
3) Unless they were providing tampons to your friends that is proof they weren't essential.

Any girls that is starting menstruation at eight years old has more pressing concerns than whether her school provides tampons. Like any unusual condition she would need to work with the school staff to accommodate her condition. But...

The bottom line is, these cases don't prove that the school must provide tampons.

"Most girls start their periods when they're about 12, but they can start as early as 8, so it's important to talk to girls from an early age to make sure they're prepared.

Respond to questions or opportunities as they arise and do not be embarrassed. Periods are natural."

Starting your periods

Most girls start their periods when they're about 12, but they can start as early as 8, so it's important to talk to girls from an early age to make sure they're prepared.

www.nhs.uk

"Menarche refers to your first period, or your first time menstruating. Most people get their periods between 11 and 14. Signs of menarche include light bleeding, cramping and mood swings. Menarche marks an important milestone during puberty when you’re capable of becoming pregnant."

Menarche (First Period): Overview, Age & What To Expect

Menarche refers to your first period, or your first time menstruating.

my.clevelandclinic.org

These cases are not exceptions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You seem to think you are the decider what is and isn't "worthless". The tampon was even invented until the 1930s. Yet somehow schools existed before that. Ergo supplying tampons isn't essential for operating a school. When schools don't supply tampons other solutions are found for the issue. The other solutions have worked until now, there is no reason to suggest they can't continue to do so. Supplying tampons in schools is a non-essential expenditure. It is that simple.

What a ridiculous argument. Students used to write on little chalkboards at school in the early 1900s so that means paper, computers, pens and pencils and the internet aren't essential for operating a school.

Keep repeating yourself and avoiding the points being made though. It's really working for you.

 

[Father Heathen]

It is quite different. I am not taking from people to support anything. Those wanting to take public resources for their purposes are.

This applies to hand soap and toilet paper, too right?
Also, reallocating a portion of funds from sports programs isn't "taking from people" since the money is already there.

 

[Alien826]

Man, you musta had crap teachers...lol

Yes, well, in that respect anyway.

Their main objectives were twofold. Keeping control and enforcing an outward show of respect. In later life I learned that people under authority tend to behave as you expect. If you think the kids will be childish and you treat them that way, that's how they will be. It's a self fulfilling prophesy. And respect is earned, and you don't get it by punishing those that omit calling you "sir" sometimes.

 

[VoidCat]

They need food, shelter, clothing, medicine and so much more. It isn't the responsibility of schools to feed, shelter, clothe and provide health care for them just because they need those things.

Sctools do provide medical care tho. Thats what school nurses are for. A lot have emergency epipens on hand for allergic reactions. They give bandaids and certain kinds of medical treatment if needed. If it's a medical emergency they even call an ambulance without consulting parents first. While schools don't provide a place for kids to live they do provide a roof over the head while they at school so that they don't get rained on. And as for clothes oftentimes with younger grades schools have spares in case a kid has an accident.

 

[VoidCat]

Heck younger grades even provide cots for nap time. And you sometimes are able to take a nap in the nurses office if you aint feeling well

 

[SkepticThinker]

Sctools do provide medical care tho. Thats what school nurses are for. A lot have an emergency epipens on hand for allergic reactions. They give bandaids and certain kinds of medical treatment if needed. If it's a medical emergency they even call an ambulance without consulting parents first. While schools don't provide a place for kids to live they do provide a roof over the head while they at school so that they don't get rained on. And as for clothes oftentimes with younger grades schools have spares in case a kid has an accident.

Those kids should be responsible for themeslves! Get your own epipens kid!

 

[VoidCat]

Those kids should be responsible for themeslves! Get your own epipens kid!

Like schools do provide for the needs of their students as a teacher it's kind of the job of a teacher and the school to care for the kids

 

[VoidCat]

Oh @Shaul. You mentioned food. Schools offer lunch. Most have to pay but they have free or reduced lunches for kids who are in proverty. That's why they have a cafeteria.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The notion that female hygiene products are somehow less necessary than the rest of hygiene products provided on the regular by the school should be criticized as selective bias that is frankly sexist. A the very least shows ignorance about what people go through with menstral cycles.

My school well over 20 years ago had plenty of pads. They're cheap, accessible, and store forever. They also had menstral cramping targeted medication available too. Because without it would be a distraction from the main mission of teaching for those students.