use_your_brain
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I don't get your first passage about abraham related to my religion. seems you just quoted from other religion. Since God had chosen many prophets not only abraham and many of them were tested by God as well.
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Taqiya vs martirdom: two different approaches
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use_your_brain
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What about you say this:
"If the God showed me the hell in my dream then I would become a muslim immediately."
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mahasn ebn sawresho
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n (Whole) of Tabari
However, they will be in their power, in fear them yourselves, Vtzaroa state Bolsntekm them, and Tdmarwa them with hostility, not on what they Chayaohm him of infidelity, nor Taanohm by a Muslim. Also: Tell me Muthanna, he said: Tna Abdullah Bin Saleh, he said: discourage Sid Bin Saleh, Ali, the son of Abbas as saying: Let not the believers take the unbelievers rather than believers said: forbade God believers that Alatefoa infidels, or Atakdhuhm and Liege from without the faithful, only to have them infidels visible, show them a kindness to them, and do not share their religion. And then saying: but the fatwa of them Tqap
However, they will be in their power, in fear them yourselves, Vtzaroa state Bolsntekm them, and Tdmarwa them with hostility, not on what they Chayaohm him of infidelity, nor Taanohm by a Muslim. Also: Tell me Muthanna, he said: Tna Abdullah Bin Saleh, he said: discourage Sid Bin Saleh, Ali, the son of Abbas as saying: Let not the believers take the unbelievers rather than believers said: forbade God believers that Alatefoa infidels, or Atakdhuhm and Liege from without the faithful, only to have them infidels visible, show them a kindness to them, and do not share their religion. And then saying: but the fatwa of them Tqap
use_your_brain
Active Member
you eat margarine too much.
Ah, you ignored the Arabic lesson I gave you the other day!
mahasn ebn sawresho
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No my friend
Only I guess you also track Altkaah here too
And so you know
The difference between the pious and piety
There is a difference between the words
Piety means worship any fear of God
But it means lying Altkaah
And you write it in Arabic also
التقوى تعني العبادة
والتقية تعني الخوف والكذب
وهناك فرق بين الكلمتين
التقوى -متقي -
التقية -تقاة
Brother, you're using the wrong derivations of the word. The Word Taqiyyah is derived from is Ittiqa'a which means putting a barrier between you and the threat as a protection. This only logically explains the meaning of Taqiyyah in using a lie as a defense against against a threat like death.
And Taqwa means the strength and devotion in worshiping, not worshiping itself.
If that's you definition, then I guess I can't argue. But I'm telling you that lying to make Islam good is forbidden in Islam and is considered pure lying, not Taqiyyah. Unless you consider Shiaa's Taqiyyah, which is, generally speaking, a denomination that does not stand for all Islam.
mahasn ebn sawresho
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Verse of Sura and set up benefit
Not righteousness that they turn away your faces before the East and the West, but righteousness, believing in God and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and brought money for the love of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and questioners in the necks and established prayer and brought Zakat and Almovon Bahdhm if covenant and steadfast in Alboads and thin and when valor of those who believe, and those are the dutifu
Here means worship
وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُتَّقُونَ
Pious: -
1 - fear and fear.
2 - Managed insured for infidel tongue other than what is involved for fear his heart to himself: - {and who does it is not of God in everything but the fatwa of them pious} [Quran].
3 - (philosophy and mysticism) to hide the truth and his factories and people pretending other than what it is believed to fear of oppression or injustice.
You should notice the difference between the two verses
The first piety
It means sincere worship
And the second means a pious lies and misinformation
And trying to Arabic language dictionaries modern collection of words in one word
They are two words with different
If you want to search in two words must rely on old references
It is hidden including lexicon Faraaheedi
And other original dictionaries
Not righteousness that they turn away your faces before the East and the West, but righteousness, believing in God and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and brought money for the love of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and questioners in the necks and established prayer and brought Zakat and Almovon Bahdhm if covenant and steadfast in Alboads and thin and when valor of those who believe, and those are the dutifu
Here means worship
وَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْمُتَّقُونَ
Pious: -
1 - fear and fear.
2 - Managed insured for infidel tongue other than what is involved for fear his heart to himself: - {and who does it is not of God in everything but the fatwa of them pious} [Quran].
3 - (philosophy and mysticism) to hide the truth and his factories and people pretending other than what it is believed to fear of oppression or injustice.
You should notice the difference between the two verses
The first piety
It means sincere worship
And the second means a pious lies and misinformation
And trying to Arabic language dictionaries modern collection of words in one word
They are two words with different
If you want to search in two words must rely on old references
It is hidden including lexicon Faraaheedi
And other original dictionaries
Jumi
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What is your source for this?
ak.yonathan
Active Member
The parable of the unjust steward in Luke chapter 16. What, don't tell me you've never heard of this! Some 'Christians' must be trying to cover it up.
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Jumi
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I mean I'm no Christian or apologist, but rereading Luke 16 I didn't come to the conclusion you did.
ak.yonathan
Active Member
Well, what conclusion did you come to?
Jumi
Well-Known Member
That the verse didn't suggest lying to people to make friends of them.
ak.yonathan
Active Member
Okay, let me rephrase, why did you come to that conclusion?
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Because he isn't recommending lying to make friends. How did you come to that conclusion? Perhaps you should start a debate on Luke 16 so we don't derail this thread.
IsmailHanif
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﴿إِلاَّ مَنْ أُكْرِهَ وَقَلْبُهُ مُطْمَئِنٌّ بِالإِيمَـنِ﴾
(except one who was forced while his heart is at peace with the faith (16:106)) This is an exception in the case of one who utters statements of disbelief and verbally agrees with the Mushrikin because he is forced to do so by the beatings and abuse to which he is subjected, but his heart refuses to accept what he is saying, and he is, in reality, at peace with his faith in Allah and His Messenger . The scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation, or to refuse, as Bilal did when they were inflicting all sorts of torture on him, even placing a huge rock on his chest in the intense heat and telling him to admit others as partners with Allah. He refused, saying, "Alone, Alone (i.e., Allah Alone).'' And he said, "By Allah, if I knew any word more annoying to you than this, I would say it.'' May Allah be pleased with him. Similarly, when the Liar Musaylimah asked Habib bin Zayd Al-Ansari, "Do you bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' Then Musaylimah asked, "Do you bear witness that I am the messenger of Allah'' Habib said, "I do not hear you.'' Musaylimah kept cutting him, piece by piece, but he remained steadfast insisting on his words. It is better and preferable for the Muslim to remain steadfast in his religion, even if that leads to him being killed, as was mentioned by Al-Hafiz Ibn `Asakir in his biography of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah Al-Sahmi, one of the Companions. He said that he was taken prisoner by the Romans, who brought him to their king. The king said, "Become a Christian, and I will give you a share of my kingdom and my daughter in marriage.'' `Abdullah said: "If you were to give me all that you possess and all that Arabs possess to make me give up the religion of Muhammad even for an instant, I would not do it.'' The king said, "Then I will kill you.'' `Abdullah said, "It is up to you.'' The king gave orders that he should be crucified, and commanded his archers to shoot near his hands and feet while ordering him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then the king gave orders that he should be brought down, and that a big vessel made of copper be brought and heated up. Then, while `Abdullah was watching, one of the Muslim prisoners was brought out and thrown into it, until all that was left of him was scorched bones. The king ordered him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then he ordered that `Abdullah be thrown into the vessel, and he was brought back to the pulley to be thrown in. `Abdullah wept, and the king hoped that he would respond to him, so he called him, but `Abdullah said, "I only weep because I have only one soul with which to be thrown into this vessel at this moment for the sake of Allah; I wish that I had as many souls as there are hairs on my body with which I could undergo this torture for the sake of Allah.'' According to some reports, the king imprisoned him and deprived him of food and drink for several days, then he sent him wine and pork, and he did not come near them. Then the king called him and asked him, "What stopped you from eating'' `Abdullah said, "It is permissible for me ﴿under these circumstances﴾, but I did not want to give you the opportunity to gloat.'' The king said to him, "Kiss my head and I will let you go.'' `Abdullah said, "And will you release all the Muslim prisoners with me'' The king said, "Yes.'' So `Abdullah kissed his head and he released him and all the other Muslim prisoners he was holding. When he came back, `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "Every Muslim should kiss the head of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah, and I will be the first to do so.'' And he stood up and kissed his head. May Allah be pleased with them both.
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(except one who was forced while his heart is at peace with the faith (16:106)) This is an exception in the case of one who utters statements of disbelief and verbally agrees with the Mushrikin because he is forced to do so by the beatings and abuse to which he is subjected, but his heart refuses to accept what he is saying, and he is, in reality, at peace with his faith in Allah and His Messenger . The scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation, or to refuse, as Bilal did when they were inflicting all sorts of torture on him, even placing a huge rock on his chest in the intense heat and telling him to admit others as partners with Allah. He refused, saying, "Alone, Alone (i.e., Allah Alone).'' And he said, "By Allah, if I knew any word more annoying to you than this, I would say it.'' May Allah be pleased with him. Similarly, when the Liar Musaylimah asked Habib bin Zayd Al-Ansari, "Do you bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' Then Musaylimah asked, "Do you bear witness that I am the messenger of Allah'' Habib said, "I do not hear you.'' Musaylimah kept cutting him, piece by piece, but he remained steadfast insisting on his words. It is better and preferable for the Muslim to remain steadfast in his religion, even if that leads to him being killed, as was mentioned by Al-Hafiz Ibn `Asakir in his biography of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah Al-Sahmi, one of the Companions. He said that he was taken prisoner by the Romans, who brought him to their king. The king said, "Become a Christian, and I will give you a share of my kingdom and my daughter in marriage.'' `Abdullah said: "If you were to give me all that you possess and all that Arabs possess to make me give up the religion of Muhammad even for an instant, I would not do it.'' The king said, "Then I will kill you.'' `Abdullah said, "It is up to you.'' The king gave orders that he should be crucified, and commanded his archers to shoot near his hands and feet while ordering him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then the king gave orders that he should be brought down, and that a big vessel made of copper be brought and heated up. Then, while `Abdullah was watching, one of the Muslim prisoners was brought out and thrown into it, until all that was left of him was scorched bones. The king ordered him to become a Christian, but he still refused. Then he ordered that `Abdullah be thrown into the vessel, and he was brought back to the pulley to be thrown in. `Abdullah wept, and the king hoped that he would respond to him, so he called him, but `Abdullah said, "I only weep because I have only one soul with which to be thrown into this vessel at this moment for the sake of Allah; I wish that I had as many souls as there are hairs on my body with which I could undergo this torture for the sake of Allah.'' According to some reports, the king imprisoned him and deprived him of food and drink for several days, then he sent him wine and pork, and he did not come near them. Then the king called him and asked him, "What stopped you from eating'' `Abdullah said, "It is permissible for me ﴿under these circumstances﴾, but I did not want to give you the opportunity to gloat.'' The king said to him, "Kiss my head and I will let you go.'' `Abdullah said, "And will you release all the Muslim prisoners with me'' The king said, "Yes.'' So `Abdullah kissed his head and he released him and all the other Muslim prisoners he was holding. When he came back, `Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "Every Muslim should kiss the head of `Abdullah bin Hudhafah, and I will be the first to do so.'' And he stood up and kissed his head. May Allah be pleased with them both.
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