Tara Reade who accuses Biden of sexual assault now fears for her life.

[Revoltingest]

I understand and agree with all of this.

I wanted to explore the claim that consent to sex cannot be withdrawn once given with an example but alas, it doesn't look like I can get a straight answer on that one.

Communication is a difficult thing at times.
We don't all focus upon the same things.

Were those sentences trite enuf for you?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The quote is about the showers. So if the quote about the showers is fake how is the claim about the showers not fake?

The quote in the Snopes article is fake. The links I provided tell you what the diary actually said. But, here:

“Hyper-sexualized @ a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so – I can’t remember specifics but I do remember trauma – I remember not liking the woolzacks house; I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a cousin]; I remember having sex with Friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate). Being turned on when I wasn’t supposed to be.”

That's what the diary actually said.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Communication is a difficult thing at times.
We don't all focus upon the same things.

This is true.

I wasn't referring to you with that comment, by the way.

Were those sentences trite enuf for you?

No, not nearly enuf. Do better!

 

[SkepticThinker]

The quote in the Snopes article is fake. The links I provided tell you what the diary actually said. But, here:

“Hyper-sexualized @ a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so – I can’t remember specifics but I do remember trauma – I remember not liking the woolzacks house; I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a cousin]; I remember having sex with Friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate). Being turned on when I wasn’t supposed to be.”

That's what the diary actually said.

As far as I can tell, absolutely nothing about the diary's contents have been verified.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As far as I can tell, absolutely nothing about the diary's contents have been verified.

I already addressed that. There's no reason to believe it's fake. We know how it ended up online. A couple of people are likely going to jail over it. But if you want to continue to act like it doesn't exist, that's not my problem. I posted enough about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

I already addressed that. There's no reason to believe it's fake.

Is there reason to be certain it's real?
I've not followed this closely because.....meh.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I already addressed that. There's no reason to believe it's fake. We know how it ended up online. A couple of people are likely going to jail over it. But if you want to continue to act like it doesn't exist, that's not my problem. I posted enough about it.

There's no reason to believe it's real either.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is there reason to be certain it's real?
I've not followed this closely because.....meh.

Of course you haven't. This is being ignored by most of the media. I'll post this one more time:

A Project Veritas Employee Leaked Ashley Biden’s Diary

The publisher of the conservative outlet that ran Ashley Biden’s diary says their source was Project Veritas.

theintercept.com

We know how this ended up online. It's not a mystery. Of course the government isn't likely to confirm that it's real. Why would you expect them to, when it's a sensitive thing involving the president? I mean, get real.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There's no reason to believe it's real either.

Did you even bother to look at that Intercept article? Because at this point, I'm getting annoyed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course you haven't. This is being ignored by most of the media. I'll post this one more time:

A Project Veritas Employee Leaked Ashley Biden’s Diary

The publisher of the conservative outlet that ran Ashley Biden’s diary says their source was Project Veritas.

theintercept.com

We know how this ended up online. It's not a mystery. Of course the government isn't likely to confirm that it's real. Why would you expect them to, when it's a sensitive thing involving the president? I mean, get real.

Has the diary's author acknowledged its cromulence?
BTW, I wouldn't expect the government to make any
claims about someone's personal diary....unless it
becomes a material issue in court. And I've been
ignoring it because it strikes me as insignificant
regarding Sleepy Joe.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Has the diary's author acknowledged its cromulence?

Yeah, Ashley Biden is totally going to confirm that she wrote a diary that claims some inappropriate behavior involving her father as a child. No, the government or her hasn't vouched specifically for that document, and I don't know why you would expect them to. There's an ongoing criminal case involving it, too, so there's probably legal reasons as well as political ones for them to keep mum about its contents.

But there's more reason to believe it's legit than to believe otherwise. We know what the paper trail for it is. Here's Politico saying it was sold to Project Veritas:

Two plead guilty to trafficking Ashley Biden's diary, property

These are the first charges in a federal probe of how the journal of the president's daughter was sold to the conservative Project Veritas outlet.

www.politico.com

From Project Veritas, it went to the National File:

A Project Veritas Employee Leaked Ashley Biden’s Diary

The publisher of the conservative outlet that ran Ashley Biden’s diary says their source was Project Veritas.

theintercept.com

Due to the criminal charges, it's basically been admitted that that's the diary, in a round about way.

And I've been ignoring it because it strikes me as insignificant regarding Sleepy Joe

I don't see how Joe Biden possibly being inappropriate with his daughter as a child would be insignificant. Especially given his bizarre behavior with other people's young children. I certainly would keep my children away from him, even without knowing about the diary. The videos of him are enough.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, Ashely Biden is totally going to confirm that she wrote a diary that claims some inappropriate behavior involving her father as a child. No, the government or her hasn't vouched specifically for that document, and I don't know why you would expect them to. There's an ongoing criminal case involving it, too, so there's probably legal reasons as well as political ones for them to keep mum about its contents.

But there's more reason to believe it's legit than to believe otherwise. We know what the paper trail for it is. Here's Politico saying it was sold to Project Veritas:

Two plead guilty to trafficking Ashley Biden's diary, property

These are the first charges in a federal probe of how the journal of the president's daughter was sold to the conservative Project Veritas outlet.

www.politico.com

From Project Veritas, it went to the National File:

A Project Veritas Employee Leaked Ashley Biden’s Diary

The publisher of the conservative outlet that ran Ashley Biden’s diary says their source was Project Veritas.

theintercept.com

Due to the criminal charges, it's basically been admitted that that's the diary, in a round about way.

How is it known that what's presented publicly is accurate?
How does it even matter?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How is it known that what's presented publicly is accurate?
How does it even matter?

Maybe you should actually look at the links I post and stop asking me endless questions.

I mean, how do we know anything about what any of these people claim is true? They could all be making everything up. It could all be nonsense. Who cares.

 

[Debater Slayer]

How does it even matter?

If it's true, it brings his morals and integrity into question. I certainly wouldn't want such a person to lead my country and make its most sensitive decisions.

But this brings up another question: if this is true and is enough to discredit Biden, why is someone like Liz Cheney not viewed with similar or even more suspicion given that she supported a war of aggression and propagated the lies that enabled the invasion and subsequent war crimes? Is enabling a war that led to half a million civilian deaths better than what Biden is accused of and what Trump has been convicted of?

Some liberals need to make up their minds and be consistent instead of excusing Cheney just because she has criticized Trump.

 

[fantome profane]

We know how it ended up online.

Through a leak from "Project Veritas"? That seems more than enough reason to be skeptical.

 

[Yerda]

Through a leak from "Project Veritas"? That seems more than enough reason to be skeptical.

It does but even a lying psychopath tells the truth sometimes.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

That's not the point. The point is, you gave consent.
The point is not whether you can change your mind... Or, decide you don't like the experience.... Or, you want some time to get conditions just right to alleviate discomfort.
This isn't about how experienced a person is... If you are both inexperienced, maybe you needed to both stop, and read some books.
Anyway, agreeing to something is giving consent. You can't argue that you didn't give consent to finish. Who made those rules?

This video does a great job explaining consent, including withdrawing consent.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who cares.

I don't care much what her diary has been claimed to say.
It won't affect my vote.

Edit...
Don't be sad.
I'd vote for Biden over Trump or DeSantis
for reasons more important than personal
criminal sexual behavior.

 

[Revoltingest]

If it's true, it brings his morals and integrity into question. I certainly wouldn't want such a person to lead my country and make its most sensitive decisions.

Voting isn't always about "wanting" a particular candidate.
If he ran against Trump, who would you vote for?

All candidates have questionable morals & integrity.
Getting elected weeds out those with actual candor &
honesty in favor of those with the appearance of candor
& honesty.
I prefer to focus upon which candidate is more likely
to pursue peace, liberty, & prosperity. Or often, the
least likely to interfere with those goals.

But this brings up another question: if this is true and is enough to discredit Biden, why is someone like Liz Cheney not viewed with similar or even more suspicion given that she supported a war of aggression and propagated the lies that enabled the invasion and subsequent war crimes? Is enabling a war that led to half a million civilian deaths better than what Biden is accused of and what Trump has been convicted of?

It's more complicated than that....

Joe Biden’s record on support for wars

Republican Sen. Rand Paul advocated for President Donald Trump’s re-election by portraying him as someone who wants to e

www.politifact.com

What has Trump been convicted of?

Some liberals need to make up their minds and be consistent instead of excusing Cheney just because she has criticized Trump.

By & large, liberals are pro-war, based upon
whom they elect & re-elect, eg, Johnson, Obama.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Voting isn't always about "wanting" a particular candidate.
If he ran against Trump, who would you vote for?

Of course, between a convicted sex offender and Biden, in addition to Trump's worse platform, I would vote for Biden. I would still prefer someone else over either, but I know the bipartisan system has American elections by the neck.

All candidates have questionable morals & integrity.
Getting elected weeds out those with actual candor &
honesty in favor of those with the appearance of candor
& honesty.
I prefer to focus upon which candidate is more likely
to pursue peace, liberty, & prosperity. Or often, the
least likely to interfere with those goals.

I was talking about a potential scenario where Biden was proven to have committed the crime he was accused of. This doesn't mean he wouldn't still be a lesser evil than Trump (who is now a convicted sex offender).

Then again, if a system ends up with those two as the only choices, perhaps the system itself is either broken or in desperate need of reform.

It's more complicated than that....

Joe Biden’s record on support for wars

Republican Sen. Rand Paul advocated for President Donald Trump’s re-election by portraying him as someone who wants to e

www.politifact.com

What has Trump been convicted of?

I was referring to the guilty verdict in Trump's recent trial:

Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused columnist E Jean Carroll

Verdict for first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator but clears Trump of rape

www.theguardian.com

By & large, liberals are pro-war, based upon
whom they elect & re-elect, eg, Johnson, Obama.

I think the hawkishness is sometimes a symptom of neoliberalism, but to be fair, I have seen some libertarians oppose all wars and suggest isolationism. I'm strongly against the latter, but at least said libertarians also opposed American military adventurism.