Teacher threesome scandal

[angellous_evangellous]

After which Hebephilia takes over and later gets booted out by Ephebophilia. Which is where a 16 year old would be.

Depending on the individual kid. Which is where the discussion slips from silliness to insanity, particularly where careers and people's lives are ruined by it -- ruined by idiots who support inherently destructive laws. This kind of sexual activity is made immoral by the law and not by its essence.

In Texas, we have an entire subculture related to this type of thing. When parents are frustrated by their 16 year old girl dating a 17 year old kid, the threaten to go to the police when he turns 18... and if so, he is a sex offender and even if he marries her, he has to register as an offender for the rest of his life and he can't even take his kids to school or to a playground because he'd be breaking the law. Now some states have seen this idiocy and have a loophole for it, then something like this (the OP) shows up and we see the same kind of lunacy.

It really boils down to self-righteous people who want to make others as miserable as themselves with no concern for how much damage they are inflicting on the lives of others.

They can eat crap and die.

 

[Apple Sugar]

The Problem seems to be that you consider 16 year olds as kids.
They might be a lot of things but being kids is not among them. Its not even Pedophilia anymore which usually ends when a kid enters puberty.
After which Hebephilia takes over and later gets booted out by Ephebophilia. Which is where a 16 year old would be.

And as far as age of consent is concerned its 14 here, with some asterisks.

In my home state long years ago the age of consent was 12. Times change. It is now 17.

The Hebephilia classification would qualify for pubescent minors. Those who are between the age of 11to 14.
A 16 year old does not qualify under that definition. A Hebephile is someone who has a sexual preference for early adolescents. It's a legal classification for prosecution of statutory rape also. But in the case of mature adults it is just as egregious as is pedophilia.
The 30+ year old females in the OP report are (allegedly) Ephebophiles.

Adults raping minor children, or adolescents, is illegal and morally repugnant. I'd be concerned with anyone who argues that behavior is natural and correct. I'd also pray they not only do not have children of their own, but that they are also never left alone in the company of the age group they believe are able to be raped by adults due to that being what they consider right behavior.

 

[Alceste]

Depending on the individual kid. Which is where the discussion slips from silliness to insanity, particularly where careers and people's lives are ruined by it -- ruined by idiots who support inherently destructive laws. This kind of sexual activity is made immoral by the law and not by its essence.

In Texas, we have an entire subculture related to this type of thing. When parents are frustrated by their 16 year old girl dating a 17 year old kid, the threaten to go to the police when he turns 18... and if so, he is a sex offender and even if he marries her, he has to register as an offender for the rest of his life and he can't even take his kids to school or to a playground because he'd be breaking the law. Now some states have seen this idiocy and have a loophole for it, then something like this (the OP) shows up and we see the same kind of lunacy.

It really boils down to self-righteous people who want to make others as miserable as themselves with no concern for how much damage they are inflicting on the lives of others.

They can eat crap and die.

What is your response to the idea that the "crime" in this situation is a major, critical lapse of professional and ethical judgement on the part of a teacher in relation to her students, and nothing to do with the idea of a 24 year old and a 32 year old sleeping with a 16 year old? I have slept with older men and younger men, starting at around 16, but I've never once slept with a student.

That SHOULD be a career-ending lapse in judgement, IMO. Every other teacher in North America somehow manages to do their job without banging any students. Why do these ladies deserve those jobs when they can't do the same?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What is your response to the idea that the "crime" in this situation is a major, critical lapse of professional and ethical judgement on the part of a teacher in relation to her students, and nothing to do with the idea of a 24 year old and a 32 year old sleeping with a 16 year old?

That SHOULD be a career-ending lapse in judgement, IMO. Every other teacher in North America somehow manages to do their job without banging any students. Why do these ladies deserve those jobs when they can't do the same?

IF that were the case, then this discussion would hardly matter. We wouldn't need a law because no one would be doing it. This statement is wildly, irrationally optimistic.

Anyway, in my opinion it would be better to redeem the talent of the teacher rather than kill their career -- especially if it would be no crime if the kid were a few months older. I think it would be better for everyone to rehabilitate the teachers rather than burn them at the stake.

Now if they had kidnapped him and tortured him, yeah. But sex with an "almost adult" = that just plays on a general sexual self-loathing on the part of society than it does a crime on the part of the teachers.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'd also pray they not only do not have children of their own, but that they are also never left alone in the company of the age group they believe are able to be raped by adults due to that being what they consider right behavior.

*Inserts coin*

 

[columbus]

Depending on the individual kid. Which is where the discussion slips from silliness to insanity, particularly where careers and people's lives are ruined by it -- ruined by idiots who support inherently destructive laws. This kind of sexual activity is made immoral by the law and not by its essence.

In Texas, we have an entire subculture related to this type of thing. When parents are frustrated by their 16 year old girl dating a 17 year old kid, the threaten to go to the police when he turns 18... and if so, he is a sex offender and even if he marries her, he has to register as an offender for the rest of his life and he can't even take his kids to school or to a playground because he'd be breaking the law. Now some states have seen this idiocy and have a loophole for it, then something like this (the OP) shows up and we see the same kind of lunacy.

It really boils down to self-righteous people who want to make others as miserable as themselves with no concern for how much damage they are inflicting on the lives of others.

They can eat crap and die.

Umm, I can totally sympathize with the problem you're describing here.

D is a younger relative of my partner. He met H when he was 19 and she was 13. D was a small town Pentecostal boy and a virgin. H was... experienced. No hot girl had ever really paid him much attention. He didn't have much, he worked part-time saving for school. As long as he brought presents, her aunt didn't care what they did. So he fell in LUV. Didn't take long to take him for everything he had. But he was still in luv and wouldn't go away. So the aunt busted him for child molestation.

There wasn't much of a trial. He'd tell anybody who asked how much he still loved her. Jury found him guilty before lunch. The judge gave him the minimum possible sentence, to be served on weekends. Because what the jury was prevented by rape shield laws from knowing was that he was her third "boyfriend" to go to jail. But the judge knew.

Eventually D and H got married. (His third, her second, now divorced and remarried to other people) But D is still on the sex offender registry. And has 4 kids.

Really, there is just no explaining people. But for this issue I see nothing to do but draw clear bright lines and make them stick when it's possible. The damage is bad enough as it is.

Tom

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Eventually D and H got married. (His third, her second, now divorced and remarried to other people) But D is still on the sex offender registry. And has 4 kids.

Tom

It's terrible. Politicians love it out here because they appear tough on sex offenders -- and they are making it harder on families. And there's such a stigma that nothing will ever actually get done.

Oh well, they are the demons.

 

[MD]

The matter so much isn't that some 16 year old had a threesome with two older women. What matters is that this is becoming common in schools and if we start condoning this, it will become an acceptable practice.

If we start allowing students and teachers to have free for all sex then what's the point of going to school? Will people with sexual addictions become teachers? How can we even gauge how smart a student is? Will the students getting into Ivy league schools be getting in based on the fact that they are studs rather than nerds?

It boggles the mind that people don't see how this is wrong.

 

[Alceste]

IF that were the case, then this discussion would hardly matter. We wouldn't need a law because no one would be doing it. This statement is wildly, irrationally optimistic.

Anyway, in my opinion it would be better to redeem the talent of the teacher rather than kill their career -- especially if it would be no crime if the kid were a few months older. I think it would be better for everyone to rehabilitate the teachers rather than burn them at the stake.

Now if they had kidnapped him and tortured him, yeah. But sex with an "almost adult" = that just plays on a general sexual self-loathing on the part of society than it does a crime on the part of the teachers.

I think you're missing my point entirely. That it is a critical, career ending lapse in professional judgement to bang one's students applies regardless of the age of the teachers or students. It has nothing to do with the age of consent, or statutory rape laws. It's deeply unethical, for many reasons that have nothing to do with age. Here are a few:

Conflict of interest. Your job is to teach students and objectively assess their grasp of the lessons. If one of the students is also your lover, can you really claim to be objective regarding their mastery of the subject you're teaching them? And how are the other students to know whether their grades are being assigned on the basis of their classroom performance or their performance (or lack thereof) in the bedroom?

Abuse of authority. You are in a position where the grades you assign will impact the academic future of your students, perhaps critically, especially at the high school level. Assuming you are the initiator, this smacks of coercion. Whether or not you would allow sexual rejection to colour your grading of the student's work is irrelevant - what matters is whether they think this is a possibility. If so, the consent you obtain is highly questionable, since the student may have felt they had no choice.

Undermining the credibility of one's employer. If you are banging your students, and by doing so, throwing your objectivity as an assessor of their skills into question, your unprofessional behaviour - if tolerated - will reflect very poorly on any qualifications awarded by your employer. This could have wide ranging consequences from the employment or education prospects for graduates to enrollment and tuition. Do you know ANYBODY who would knowingly send their teenage children to a high school that tolerates sexual relationships between teachers and students? I sure don't.

Please note that I did not at any time even mention the age of the student, which is ENTIRELY irrelevant to my opinion that these teachers should both be sacked and permanently prohibited from teaching.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

The matter so much isn't that some 16 year old had a threesome with two older women. What matters is that this is becoming common in schools and if we start condoning this, it will become an acceptable practice.

If we start allowing students and teachers to have free for all sex then what's the point of going to school? Will people with sexual addictions become teachers? How can we even gauge how smart a student is? Will the students getting into Ivy league schools be getting in based on the fact that they are studs rather than nerds?

It boggles the mind that people don't see how this is wrong.

If so - then just my luck.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think you're missing my point entirely. That it is a critical, career ending lapse in professional judgement to bang one's students applies regardless of the age of the teachers or students. It has nothing to do with the age of consent, or statutory rape laws. It's deeply unethical, for many reasons that have nothing to do with age. Here are a few:

Conflict of interest. Your job is to teach students and objectively assess their grasp of the lessons. If one of the students is also your lover, can you really claim to be objective regarding their mastery of the subject you're teaching them? And how are the other students to know whether their grades are being assigned on the basis of their classroom performance or their performance (or lack thereof) in the bedroom?

Abuse of authority. You are in a position where the grades you assign will impact the academic future of your students, perhaps critically, especially at the high school level. Assuming you are the initiator, this smacks of coercion. Whether or not you would allow sexual rejection to colour your grading of the student's work is irrelevant - what matters is whether they think this is a possibility. If so, the consent you obtain is highly questionable, since the student may have felt they had no choice.

Undermining the credibility of one's employer. If you are banging your students, and by doing so, throwing your objectivity as an assessor of their skills into question, your unprofessional behaviour - if tolerated - will reflect very poorly on any qualifications awarded by your employer. This could have wide ranging consequences from the employment or education prospects for graduates to enrollment and tuition. Do you know ANYBODY who would knowingly send their teenage children to a high school that tolerates sexual relationships between teachers and students? I sure don't.

Please note that I did not at any time even mention the age of the student, which is ENTIRELY irrelevant to my opinion that these teachers should both be sacked and permanently prohibited from teaching.

OK, I'm distracted by the immanent coolness of this kid scoring two teachers.

You're distracted by the fact that they are teachers.

I think that a single indiscretion, if we can even call this one, on the part of the teachers should be grounds for immediate firing, etc. Because of the amount of training and experience they should have at this point in their career -- which is far more valuable than any damage they have done (which is probably none) -- their schools should have the opportunity to redeem them.

But as it is, they have done a community service. Especially if the kid was a dork.

 

[s2a]

For some reason most liberals think that conservatives are homophobic fundamentalist Catholics, but true conservatives are those who wish to live honest and moral lives filled with integrity, meaning and purpose. There are atheist conservatives as well as theist conservatives.

Liberals don't believe in morality, or at least liberalism as a philosophy doesn't. Liberalism doesn't believe in anything, it seeks to deconstruct everything in society, without offering new constructs itself. The end of goal of liberalism is to create a purely free society, devoid of any inhibitions aka anarchy. Thus the growing trend of teachers sexing up students goes to show how the idea is spreading throughout the public school system now.

Teachers should be told to dress modestly. Doctors, firefighters, or any other profession does the same. And teachers should be banned for life for banging students and having threesomes, not slaps on the wrist. If a doctor had sex with a patient, and doctors do, they lose their license and are banned from ever practicing medicine again. And these are usually with over the age patients. If you don't see how what's happening all across American public schools isn't a product of the liberal movement, then you're either lying or ignorant.

Women need dress modestly. Maybe wear beekeeper outfits.

Men, you know, the male of the species, just can't help themselves, so blame women for making men crazy sex maniacs.

After all, if men are just raised properly they then know how to treat women with the proper respect they have earned by covering their ankles in public.

Yeah.

America would be so much more aligned with the morality of Saudi Arabia if women just knew their place.

I blame all those women drivers that earnestly believe they have a right to drive.

 

[columbus]

OK, I'm distracted by the immanent coolness of this kid scoring two teachers.

You're distracted by the fact that they are teachers.

I think that a single indiscretion, if we can even call this one, on the part of the teachers should be grounds for immediate firing, etc. Because of the amount of training and experience they should have at this point in their career -- which is far more valuable than any damage they have done (which is probably none) -- their schools should have the opportunity to redeem them.

But as it is, they have done a community service. Especially if the kid was a dork.

People like you are why grown ups need to set and enforce the standards.

Tom

 

[angellous_evangellous]

People like you are why grown ups need to set and enforce the standards.

Tom

Yes, all those ordained ministers with PhDs in New Testament authoring major books and articles in cooperation with scholars around the world.

Woe is me, and you're worse off having read this.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Pishaw! Ordained ministers can be found via a few dollars and a stamped envelope via Universal Life Church.
Real ordained ministers with PhD's in New Testament studies and who author major books and articles in cooperation with scholars around the world, don't support Ephebophiles, (the rape of pubescent minors) those adults who are 30+ years of age or of any age, who rape children or minor kids.

 

[Alceste]

OK, I'm distracted by the immanent coolness of this kid scoring two teachers.

You're distracted by the fact that they are teachers.

I think that a single indiscretion, if we can even call this one, on the part of the teachers should be grounds for immediate firing, etc. Because of the amount of training and experience they should have at this point in their career -- which is far more valuable than any damage they have done (which is probably none) -- their schools should have the opportunity to redeem them.

But as it is, they have done a community service. Especially if the kid was a dork.

I think you are grossly underestimating the damage a teacher does by banging his or her students. Not only to their students, but also to their employer. You never answered my question, which wasn't rhetorical: do you know any parent who would knowingly send their kids to a school that tolerates sexual relationships between students and teachers? And to expand on that idea, do you know any employer that would respect academic credentials awarded by a school that tolerates sexual relationships between students and teachers, especially in comparison to schools that do not?

I have no problem with two teachers banging a consenting 16 year old, as long as it's not one of their own students. If it is, they deserve to be fired. And as far as their expertise and training is concerned, the world is hardly starved for teachers. They can be very easily replaced by other teachers with equal or greater expertise, as well as a far better understanding of their professional obligations.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I think you are grossly underestimating the damage a teacher does by banging his or her students. Not only to their students, but also to their employer. You never answered my question, which wasn't rhetorical: do you know any parent who would knowingly send their kids to a school that tolerates sexual relationships between students and teachers? And to expand on that idea, do you know any employer that would respect academic credentials awarded by a school that tolerates sexual relationships between students and teachers, especially in comparison to schools that do not?

I have no problem with two teachers banging a consenting 16 year old, as long as it's not one of their own students. If it is, they deserve to be fired. And as far as their expertise and training is concerned, the world is hardly starved for teachers. They can be very easily replaced by other teachers with equal or greater expertise, as well as a far better understanding of their professional obligations.

Here I think you're being quite optimistic. These are the teachers that got caught -- that doesn't mean that most or even some other teachers aren't doing stuff that just as bad or worse and not getting caught. So it doesn't mean that you'll get a better teacher if you toss these out like garbage.

And I don't need to answer any of your questions whether it's rhetorical or not - but advocating the rehabilitation of teachers who have sex with their students is not the same thing as advocating that it should be a normal practice. In fact, it assumes that one would not want it to be normal. I shouldn't have to explain that to you, so I'll pretend like you were asking the question for some other reason.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Pishaw! Ordained ministers can be found via a few dollars and a stamped envelope via Universal Life Church.
Real ordained ministers with PhD's in New Testament studies and who author major books and articles in cooperation with scholars around the world, don't support Ephebophiles, (the rape of pubescent minors) those adults who are 30+ years of age or of any age, who rape children or minor kids.

Oh, nos.

I shall agree with you so my credentials can be recognized.

Without you, my dear Apple Sugar, I am nothing. Before you, I was nothing, and if I shall not advocate your whim, I will continue to be worthless.

My soul is in your hands, my dear Apple Sugar. Should I anger you, all is lost. You must give me my life, my soul, my dear.

I am guilty and I repent.

 

[columbus]

Whoa!

You're a teacher?:cover:

Tom

Eta the post I am referring to AE described himself as a seminary teacher

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Whoa!

You're a teacher?:cover:

Tom

Yep.

[I've never had a threesome, either. But I guess that's my own damn fault.]

Note: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vlDhcZXCHw