Teacher threesome scandal

[Alceste]

The kid will probably be more traumatized by seeing his teachers go off to jail than by the sex.

Absolutely. Two hot blonde older women make one of his wildest fantasies come true and he thanks them for it by blabbing to everyone, which lands them in prison. I don't see it that way, but I'll bet he does.

 

[MD]

This has nothing to do with liberals or liberalism considering conservatives have been in the hot seat regarding sexual misconduct. Shucks.....the catholic church and other christians as well as leaders in the boy scouts have been in the news over the years. There's no shortage of liberals, conservatives etc. engaging is these kinds of behaviours...so it's not a partisan issue.

For some reason most liberals think that conservatives are homophobic fundamentalist Catholics, but true conservatives are those who wish to live honest and moral lives filled with integrity, meaning and purpose. There are atheist conservatives as well as theist conservatives.

Liberals don't believe in morality, or at least liberalism as a philosophy doesn't. Liberalism doesn't believe in anything, it seeks to deconstruct everything in society, without offering new constructs itself. The end of goal of liberalism is to create a purely free society, devoid of any inhibitions aka anarchy. Thus the growing trend of teachers sexing up students goes to show how the idea is spreading throughout the public school system now.

Teachers should be told to dress modestly. Doctors, firefighters, or any other profession does the same. And teachers should be banned for life for banging students and having threesomes, not slaps on the wrist. If a doctor had sex with a patient, and doctors do, they lose their license and are banned from ever practicing medicine again. And these are usually with over the age patients. If you don't see how what's happening all across American public schools isn't a product of the liberal movement, then you're either lying or ignorant.

 

[dust1n]

Dude, you so should, like, totally write a book or somethin.

 

[Flankerl]

Just how stupid do you have to be to get a(or more) threesome with a good looking teacher and a okay looking teacher and then brag about it?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

If this were 2 male teachers and a female student, the whole world would be screaming for them to be tied to the rack, burnt at the stake, and left to rot in the wilderness.

 

[columbus]

It's nothing to do with the age of the student. People who can't keep their hands off students should not be permitted to teach. It's inappropriate and unprofessional, as well as an abuse of authority.

Perhaps the reason this thread has gotten so convoluted is because this one event includes two separate issues. Statutory rape and teacher/ student relationship are individually important. Both at once gets confusing.

There is no doubt that the two women committed rape, as defined by law. This particular rape may not have caused any damage, but similar rapes cause huge amounts of damage which is why we have the laws we do on the issue. The fact that the victim wasn't mature enough to realize that bragging afterwards would be a legal disaster proves that he wasn't as mature as all that. Who knows what the effects on him really are.

Then there is the teacher/student relationship, which the perps didn't take seriously enough to preserve. We can't afford to have professional people prioritize hot sex over well established ethics. It is not just teachers, but their position is particularly subject to abuse. So they get held to a higher standard than the mail person.

So what we have here is a rape aggravated by violation of professional standards. That really needs to result in jail time. It would be nice if we could set aside these things based on emotional responses, but we can't. We need laws that get enforced.

Heck, the RCC is already claiming in court that the right to keep sex abuse secret is a religious right. Give predators an inch and they will take a mile.

Tom

 

[Alceste]

Perhaps the reason this thread has gotten so convoluted is because this one event includes two separate issues. Statutory rape and teacher/ student relationship are individually important. Both at once gets confusing.

There is no doubt that the two women committed rape, as defined by law. This particular rape may not have caused any damage, but similar rapes cause huge amounts of damage which is why we have the laws we do on the issue. The fact that the victim wasn't mature enough to realize that bragging afterwards would be a legal disaster proves that he wasn't as mature as all that. Who knows what the effects on him really are.

Then there is the teacher/student relationship, which the perps didn't take seriously enough to preserve. We can't afford to have professional people prioritize hot sex over well established ethics. It is not just teachers, but their position is particularly subject to abuse. So they get held to a higher standard than the mail person.

So what we have here is a rape aggravated by violation of professional standards. That really needs to result in jail time. It would be nice if we could set aside these things based on emotional responses, but we can't. We need laws that get enforced.

Heck, the RCC is already claiming in court that the right to keep sex abuse secret is a religious right. Give predators an inch and they will take a mile.

Tom

He was 16 or something, wasn't he? I know the age of consent varies, but I don't think a 16 year old should be assumed to be not ready for sex just because of his age. That happens to be the legal age of consent in Canada. Used to be 14. I was 17 myself, and started later than most of my peers.

I dislike the concept of statutory rape, to be honest. I don't think jail is the answer at all. And I think the abuse of authority is by far the more important issue. If he'd landed two hot , older blondes who weren't bound by a duty of care it would be high fives all around.

 

[Alceste]

If this were 2 male teachers and a female student, the whole world would be screaming for them to be tied to the rack, burnt at the stake, and left to rot in the wilderness.

Maybe, but if the genders were reversed, the details of the affair would be very different as well. It's not at all likely that a teenage girl would seek out and enthusiastically participate in such a tryst due to enormous social pressure for women to be chaste and avoid risky situations with men. And it's not at all likely that if a teenage girl did seek out this type of experience, she would brag about it at school, due to the ruthless barrage of **** shaming that would inevitably follow.

 

[At The Left Hand ov God]

If this were 2 male teachers and a female student, the whole world would be screaming for them to be tied to the rack, burnt at the stake, and left to rot in the wilderness.

:clap

 

[columbus]

He was 16 or something, wasn't he? I know the age of consent varies, but I don't think a 16 year old should be assumed to be not ready for sex just because of his age. That happens to be the legal age of consent in Canada. Used to be 14. I was 17 myself, and started later than most of my peers.

I dislike the concept of statutory rape, to be honest. I don't think jail is the answer at all. And I think the abuse of authority is by far the more important issue. If he'd landed two hot , older blondes who weren't bound by a duty of care it would be high fives all around.

In this particular case you may be right, but I don't think so. The problem is that not having objective boundaries leaves our most vulnerable children at the mercy of the most ruthless sexual predators.

Maturity is not an objective standard. Obviously the boy wasn't mature enough for this or there wouldn't be a problem.

Tom

 

[columbus]

Maybe, but if the genders were reversed, the details of the affair would be very different as well. It's not at all likely that a teenage girl would seek out and enthusiastically participate in such a tryst due to enormous social pressure for women to be chaste and avoid risky situations with men. And it's not at all likely that if a teenage girl did seek out this type of experience, she would brag about it at school, due to the ruthless barrage of **** shaming that would inevitably follow.

If you don't think teenaged girls can be pressured into irresponsible sex by adults you need to get out more.

Tom

 

[Alceste]

If you don't think teenaged girls can be pressured into irresponsible sex by adults you need to get out more.

Tom

That's exactly my point. If the genders were reversed, it would be far more likely that the student was pressured or coerced into the affair, rather than an eager and willing participant. And that is why public reaction would be different. Not because of some irrational, anti-male double standard.

 

[columbus]

That's exactly my point. If the genders were reversed, it would be far more likely that the student was pressured or coerced into the affair, rather than an eager and willing participant. And that is why public reaction would be different. Not because of some irrational, anti-male double standard.

I know a woman who was an accomplished sexual predator by the age of 13. There just aren't any objective standards, even concerning gender. So we must have harsh laws and enforce them equally, even though it sometimes results in bad effects.

Tom

 

[Alceste]

I know a woman who was an accomplished sexual predator by the age of 13. There just aren't any objective standards, even concerning gender. So we must have harsh laws and enforce them equally, even though it sometimes results in bad effects.

Tom

Note that I said "more likely", not "universally true in every circumstance", so your anecdote is not an effective rebuttal.

If you don't see that the social pressures on boys and girls when it comes to sex are vastly different, usually resulting in very different sexual behaviour, then we're never going to find any common ground here, I'm afraid.

I've already said that if the genders were reversed and every other detail was EXACTLY the same, my opinion on the appropriate punishment (firing and a lifelong prohibition from teaching, no jail) would be the same.

 

[columbus]

I guess that the only part we really disagree about is the appropriate penalty for statutory rape. I think it such an ugly problem it merits harsh treatment. The current laws weren't effective, as we can see.

Tom

 

[Apple Sugar]

Rachel Respess and Shelley Dufresne are ephebophiles. If found guilty they should serve the full term of 171/2 years so as to send a warning shot over the bow of fellow ephebophiles.
Predators like this aren't a surprise to have chosen a school as their hunting ground. A 32 year old woman who wants to sex a 16 year old child is sick. What's worse is when they breed their potential victims into their custody. Then its harder to find them because the child, who could possibly be assaulted early on, thinks that's normal mom (or dad) behavior.

I'd hope there are civil suits to follow that bankrupt these two women while they're in their cages.

Teachers arrested for threesome with student | New York Post

Is it just me or are there a lot more of these teacher student scandals happening lately, especially female teachers with male students?

Aside from the fact that it is a common male fantasy and if I were in the guys position I'd probably have done it, I am a conservative and find the growing collapse of morality in the U.S. disturbing. Teachers should not be sleeping with minors and getting slaps on the wrist, there seems to be a new story like this happening everyday.

I feel that as liberalism pushes its boundaries more and more all institutions sacred to society will fall and in the end there will be nothing left but anarchy. It seems that this is the end goal of the liberal movement, except in a world of anarchy liberals would be eaten alive and religious fundamentalists and psychopaths would reign.

 

[Alceste]

I guess that the only part we really disagree about is the appropriate penalty for statutory rape. I think it such an ugly problem it merits harsh treatment. The current laws weren't effective, as we can see.

Tom

Yeah, I'm not at all in favour of incarceration in any circumstances other than when the offender poses a serious risk to the safety of others. Otherwise, I just don't see the point of it. I believe the consequence of any wrongdoing should have some logical connection to the wrongful act, like being fired because you have abused your authority. I don't think making a 16 year old's wildest sexual fantasy come true is wrong, unless you have a duty of care (as teachers do) or you are the initiator and use pressure or coercion to overcome their misgivings.

When I was 15, I was wildly infatuated with a 23 year old. He had the conscience and willpower to fend me off for a couple years, but if he hadn't, he certainly wouldn't have deserved to get in trouble with the law.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Isn't it odd that we read this case of two women raping their student and some say, well that boy just had his greatest sexual fantasy fulfilled! Lucky him.

But had the story been reversed and this was a report of two 32 year old male teachers having committed these same trespasses only on girl students, likely, hopefully at least, those same people would be outraged at the violation of young girls innocence.

There would have been no mention like, "well those girls are so lucky having their greatest sexual fantasy come true."

Instead it would likely have been someone saying the authorities should lock the men up and throw away the key.

 

[Flankerl]

I must have been at the only school in the entire universe where some students wanted to get intimate with good looking teachers, male or female.

But perhaps the US is just different.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I must have been at the only school in the entire universe where some students wanted to get intimate with good looking teachers, male or female.

But perhaps the US is just different.

No... Theres at least one other one... mine. And, you know, as much as I hate the male vs. female double standard, were I in his position, I would have probably went along with the threesome as well... Regardless of the gender combination.