Teacher threesome scandal

[Revoltingest]

I'm glad you left tax evaders out!
(They're doing God's work.)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I'm glad you left tax evaders out!
(They're doing God's work.)

haha - I just didn't want to incriminate someone.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

New idea: let's just make all threesomes illegal

You heartless monster! :cover:

Fine... I'll just have a foursome instead

 

[dust1n]

Depending on the individual kid. Which is where the discussion slips from silliness to insanity, particularly where careers and people's lives are ruined by it -- ruined by idiots who support inherently destructive laws. This kind of sexual activity is made immoral by the law and not by its essence.

In Texas, we have an entire subculture related to this type of thing. When parents are frustrated by their 16 year old girl dating a 17 year old kid, the threaten to go to the police when he turns 18... and if so, he is a sex offender and even if he marries her, he has to register as an offender for the rest of his life and he can't even take his kids to school or to a playground because he'd be breaking the law. Now some states have seen this idiocy and have a loophole for it, then something like this (the OP) shows up and we see the same kind of lunacy.

It really boils down to self-righteous people who want to make others as miserable as themselves with no concern for how much damage they are inflicting on the lives of others.

They can eat crap and die.

Hmm, not familiar with the Texas stuff, but in Florida, there was a 4 year overlap (meaning 14-18, 15-19, 16-20, 17-21) were acceptable differences in age in order to prevent what you mention from happening. Of course, that might be more difficult if the girl herself carried out a grudge.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Hmm, not familiar with the Texas stuff, but in Florida, there was a 4 year overlap (meaning 14-18, 15-19, 16-20, 17-21) were acceptable differences in age in order to prevent what you mention from happening. Of course, that might be more difficult if the girl herself carried out a grudge.

A four year overlap would help a lot out here. It's never going to happen out here, though.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

You heartless monster! :cover:

Fine... I'll just have a foursome instead

That would be in the headlines for a long time.

 

[Father Heathen]

I imagine the reaction and attitude toward this and similar incidents would be quite different had the teacher(s) been a male adult and the student a female teenager.

Also, I don't understand what would attract full-grown adults to some snot-nosed twerp in the first place. The psychology behind it is baffling.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I imagine the reaction and attitude toward this and similar incidents would be quite different had the teacher(s) been a male adult and the student a female teenager.

Also, I don't understand what would attract them to some snot-nosed twerp in the first place. The psychology behind it is baffling.

Yes, I agree. I can't stand it when co-eds open their mouths (to speak). And they are in their early 20s. But utter a syllable and they may as well be Ewoks. Stupid Ewoks. Not the politically motivated warrior. The fat, furry, unintelligible whelps.

 

[Alceste]

I didn't say that it wasn't disturbing, and I didn't say that it's not uncommon. Seriously, are you able to think about this clearly?

I can type slower but I don't think that it will do any good.

OK, so if sex between teachers and students is universally disturbing, why not employ only teachers who don't do that, and not teachers who do? How will you keep tuition and enrollment high, and assure that the credentials awarded by your school are respected, if you are willing to employ teachers who sleep with their students?

Pretending I haven't completely kicked your butt here isn't going to work. Nobody is fooled.

 

[columbus]

Note: I've largely stayed out of this conversation because even though what the teachers
did was illegal & must remain so, I will unconsciously betray my sense that that he was
one lucky lad, living a fantasy which he will fondly recall for the rest of his life, & be
the envy of all his pals.

Ya know Rev, here's the problem with this sort of shallow view.

Either the kid was NOT mature enough to keep his mouth shut and therefore not mature enough to have sex with anybody. Or he was mature enough to know what he was doing and deliberately through the women under the bus in a brutal fashion for the notoriety. These aren't just mutually exclusive opposites, I'm sure it is a spectrum of possibilities. Given the facts, I have to guess it is closer to the latter end though. He had to know that mentioning this to anybody would get the women in deep doodoo, and he still did it.

So, now the little psychopath's cherry popping party is front page news. His name and pic are under captions that may as well read "TEENAGE SUPERSTUD". He is the envy of guys from his pals to bitter, alcoholic, and abusive clergy on religious forums. He is probably the target of women from every teenage girl wanting a brush with fame to the cougars who know he is available.
How do you think this is going to affect him? Can you see the possibility that he might learn that he is God's gift to women? That as long as he's supplying them with hot salami they should be grateful, and not object when he treats them like dirt?

The reason that sexing underage people is wrong is that you really don't know what the final effects on their lives and the people around them are going to be.

Tom

 

[angellous_evangellous]

OK, so if sex between teachers and students is universally disturbing, why not hire only teachers who don't do that, and not teachers who do? How will you keep tuition and enrollment high, and assure that the credentials awarded by your school are respected, if you are willing to employ teachers who sleep with their students?

Pretending I haven't completely kicked your butt here isn't going to work. Nobody is fooled.

I don't know. Sex with students is considered unethical, but it's not illegal. I don't know what would happen and I do not care. That's a privilege of my position. And I love it.

My endowment comes from oil money. It's quite safe.

I do wonder if you are able to think through this issue without reflecting it back on me personally. It's illogical, immature, and infantile.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I imagine the reaction and attitude toward this and similar incidents would be quite different had the teacher(s) been a male adult and the student a female teenager.

Indeed, as it should.

Also, I don't understand what would attract full-grown adults to some snot-nosed twerp in the first place. The psychology behind it is baffling.

I suspect that your characterization of them as "full-grown adults" is somewhat of an overestimation.

 

[Alceste]

I had no idea.

Most women I know can add and subtract and handle basic problems while using logic. Hell, I didn't even know I was talking to a woman - I never look at the gender sign when I talk to people.

I thought that my audience was beyond the chain of logical fallacies that would connect me personally with an action that I've repeatedly said that I disagree with.

I mean - I suggest that we should rehab someone who "rapes" someone and all of the sudden I'm a pedophile because I've been ordained. The lack of critical thinking is staggering. It's even offensive. No one, and I mean no one, could have raped logical thinking so brutally and came up with such a creative insult.

I am Satan himself because I don't want lives thrown away flippantly.

**** me, right!

EDIT: And another one of these geniuses doesn't recognize my credentials because I don't agree with everything s/he says. This isn't as hurtful because I had no respect for him/her in the first place -- and I've seen that type of infantile thinking before. The other insult was downright shocking.

I haven't said you're Satan, I've made three completely rational points that you refused to address because you apparently can't get over the fact that you find this particular massive lapse in professional judgment sexually arousing. Conflict of interest, abuse of authority, and harming the credibility of your employer.

Are you intending to address those issues, or is it all just going to be juvenile snickering and high fives with other men who can't get past the word "threesome"?

I'd like to see your evidence that sleeping with one's high school students is as common as you seem to believe.

I brought up the church because they tried the "rehabilitation" approach you are advocating here, and public perception was that they knowingly sheltered sexual predators from justice. It resulted in a general decline in church membership and a very large stain on the reputation of the church and its representatives.

 

[Alceste]

I don't know. Sex with students is considered unethical, but it's not illegal. I don't know what would happen and I do not care. That's a privilege of my position. And I love it.

My endowment comes from oil money. It's quite safe.

I do wonder if you are able to think through this issue without reflecting it back on me personally. It's illogical, immature, and infantile.

Yes, and when you do unethical things at work, you get what?

If you said "fired", you win!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

rational points

There is nothing rational about your personal insults, which have no place in this discussion.

You are embarrassing yourself -- quite honestly to my surprise. I thought that I had seen you around the forum for years, perfectly able to hold to a topic and interact with it while utterly failing to do so here.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yes, and when you do unethical things at work, you get what?

If you said "fired", you win!

Yes, when you work at McDonald's.

When you have a bit more worth to the organization, they make an effort to save you. Not everyone is stupid, you know. Or maybe not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ya know Rev, here's the problem with this sort of shallow view.
Either the kid was NOT mature enough to keep his mouth shut and therefore not mature enough to have sex with anybody. Or he was mature enough to know what he was doing and deliberately through the women under the bus in a brutal fashion for the notoriety. These aren't just mutually exclusive opposites, I'm sure it is a spectrum of possibilities. Given the facts, I have to guess it is closer to the latter end though. He had to know that mentioning this to anybody would get the women in deep doodoo, and he still did it.

Remember that I'm just giving an impression, one which no one
should take to justify what happened. It was wrong & illegal.

So, now the little psychopath's cherry popping party is front page news. His name and pic are under captions that may as well read "TEENAGE SUPERSTUD". He is the envy of guys from his pals to bitter, alcoholic, and abusive clergy on religious forums. He is probably the target of women from every teenage girl wanting a brush with fame to the cougars who know he is available.
How do you think this is going to affect him? Can you see the possibility that he might learn that he is God's gift to women? That as long as he's supplying them with hot salami they should be grateful, and not object when he treats them like dirt?

I don't know that he's a psyhopath. That seems very unlikely.
Immaturity is a better explanation for his not handling the aftermath well.
How will it affect him? I cannot predict.

The reason that sexing underage people is wrong is that you really don't know what the final effects on their lives and the people around them are going to be.

We agree that it's wrong for more reasons than you list.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Remember that I'm just giving an impression, one which no one
should take to justify what happened. It was wrong & illegal.


I don't know that he's a psyhopath. That seems very unlikely.
Immaturity is a better explanation or his not handling the aftermath well.
How will it affect him? I cannot predict.


We agree that it's wrong for more reasons than you list.

Did you know that when you disagree with someone, it's actually a personal insult? Then, you can insult them back and it's a valid point?

That's why some folks are so great at debating.

But I agree with you so you're stroking my ... ego.

 

[Revoltingest]

Did you know that when you disagree with someone, it's actually a personal insult? Then, you can insult them back and it's a valid point?

Dang! I'm so clueless about the rules & how debating works.
That's why I don't debate much.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Dang! I'm so clueless about the rules & how debating works.
That's why I don't debate much.

I'm still warm and fuzzy from the last time you said something I liked.