Teens: Questions about sex? Get them answered.

[TheKnight]

I choose to blame it all on the school system.

Yes, let us blame our sins on that wretched Satan. That way, we'll never have to take responsibility for anything! Brilliant!

Why should we try to control our sexual desire?

I find this odd coming from you...

so because YOU have never seen it, it does not exist?

Interesting argument.
Not very impressive or persuasive, but interesting non the less.

Many Atheists make the same argument for their lack of belief in God. It's not a very good one though.

 

[Alceste]

I find this odd coming from you...

Why, do I strike you as someone who carries a business card between her knees at all times? Sorry to disappoint you. I don't believe abstinence, chastity, sexual repression, etc. is a virtue, and I have always acted in accordance with my beliefs.

 

[TheKnight]

Why, do I strike you as someone who carries a business card between her knees at all times? Sorry to disappoint you. I don't believe abstinence, chastity, sexual repression, etc. is a virtue, and I have always acted in accordance with my beliefs.

I find it odd that here in this thread you speak about why people should not control themselves sexually, yet in the thread about 1 in 3 teen girls being sexually abused you commented in an opposite fashion advocating sexual self-control. A practice of not using self-control ensures that self-control is less likely to be used...To say that one should not control oneself in one area of sexuality but that they should in another is asking for disaster.

 

[Alceste]

I find it odd that here in this thread you speak about why people should not control themselves sexually, yet in the thread about 1 in 3 teen girls being sexually abused you commented in an opposite fashion advocating sexual self-control. A practice of not using self-control ensures that self-control is less likely to be used...To say that one should not control oneself in one area of sexuality but that they should in another is asking for disaster.

Rape is about power, not sex.

It's a little disturbing that you seem to believe that all men are suppressing a constant urge to rape women.

 

[Kerr]

I find it odd that here in this thread you speak about why people should not control themselves sexually, yet in the thread about 1 in 3 teen girls being sexually abused you commented in an opposite fashion advocating sexual self-control. A practice of not using self-control ensures that self-control is less likely to be used...To say that one should not control oneself in one area of sexuality but that they should in another is asking for disaster.

Or it is because it is not as black and white as that. Sexuality is not simple enough to compare apples, consensual sex, with oranges, forced sex.

 

[TheKnight]

Rape is about power, not sex.

It's a little disturbing that you seem to believe that all men are suppressing a constant urge to rape women.

The actions involved in rape and sex are the same. The difference is the mentality and mood of the participants.

The control that would stop a man from having sex outside of marriage is the same control that would stop a man from continuing when he and his woman have begun to have sex and she, during its course, says no. The control is the same (that control being the limiting of action on sexual desire).

My point is simply that one should advocate control in all areas of sexual life if one is going to advocate sexual control at all.

Or it is because it is not as black and white as that. Sexuality is not simple enough to compare apples, consensual sex, with oranges, forced sex.

I agree. However, self-control (which is what I commented on) is that simple. Self-control (stopping oneself from having sex before marriage) is the self-control (stopping oneself from continuing in sex when the girl says no after having already started).

I am not comparing rape to sex. I am comparing using sexual control to using sexual control.

 

[Nanda]

Many Atheists make the same argument for their lack of belief in God. It's not a very good one though.

Cheap shot, and not even remotely on topic.

 

[McBell]

Many Atheists make the same argument for their lack of belief in God. It's not a very good one though.

Says you.
But then, you are a theist...

 

[Aquitaine]

I find it odd that here in this thread you speak about why people should not control themselves sexually, yet in the thread about 1 in 3 teen girls being sexually abused you commented in an opposite fashion advocating sexual self-control. A practice of not using self-control ensures that self-control is less likely to be used...To say that one should not control oneself in one area of sexuality but that they should in another is asking for disaster.

Dear me, TheKnight, can you honestly not see the difference between not wanting to be chaste and not wanting to rape someone?

 

[TheKnight]

Dear me, TheKnight, can you honestly not see the difference between not wanting to be chaste and not wanting to rape someone?

I'm not talking about blatant grab a woman and rape her rape. I'm talking about the control needed to stop oneself from having sex after sex has already commenced and the control needed to abstain from sex.

I see that control as being near the same. After all, the mechanics involved are the same. Why should the brakes used be different?

 

[Aquitaine]

I'm not talking about blatant grab a woman and rape her rape. I'm talking about the control needed to stop oneself from having sex after sex has already commenced and the control needed to abstain from sex.

I see that control as being near the same. After all, the mechanics involved are the same. Why should the brakes used be different?

But (I believe) this is more about sexuality, and the freedom to explore your sexuality and not repress them for no credible reason. That's a lot different from backing down during sex.

 

[TheKnight]

But (I believe) this is more about sexuality, and the freedom to explore your sexuality and not repress them for no credible reason. That's a lot different from backing down during sex.

I agree. I was just shocked by her post (her post about control)...considering her views in other threads.

 

[Aquitaine]

I agree. I was just shocked by her post (her post about control)...considering her views in other threads.

Yeah but, as I said, she's (I presume) talking about two completely different things: the freedom of exploring sexuality and how not being chaste can help people learn more about themselves and their body,
and administering self-control if you're in the process, or about to, rape someone.

 

[Alceste]

Yeah but, as I said, she's (I presume) talking about two completely different things: the freedom of exploring sexuality and how not being chaste can help people learn more about themselves and their body,
and administering self-control if you're in the process, or about to, rape someone.

That's right. It's as if I said "it's OK to offer free hugs to people walking down the street" and the Knight jumps in saying "well, that's a shocking thing for you to say, considering in that other thread you said it's not OK to punch people in the face".

Absolutely ridiculous. TheKnight, I think you really could have benefited from a comprehensive sex education class, frankly. It's very disturbing that you are unable to distinguish between rape and consensual sex.

 

[d3vaLL]

You're out of your mind if you believe choosing to have sex is NOT a form of self-control.

 

[Circle_One]

Yes, let us blame our sins on that wretched Satan. That way, we'll never have to take responsibility for anything! Brilliant!

Wow, holy out of context, Batman. Maybe the next time you pray for something, you can ask your God for a sense of humor because:

1) If you'd read everything, rather than just taking one sentence of what I'd said, you'd realized it was CLEARLY a fricken joke.

and 2) your cute little analogy of school system=satan doesn't exactly work since I have absolutely no belief in your concept of satan.

Nice try though.

NEXT.

 

[Herr Heinrich]

My old school system here in the Great Lakes area was all about abstinence. We didn't learn anything that was actually going to help us if we had sex. Couple that with the fact that I was raised Catholic, and you get "You will go to hell if you have sex before marriage...but first you will suffer from a horrible STD!" Since I thought contraceptives of any sort were bad(and since we were committing a mortal sin anyway and didn't want to make it worse) my girlfriend and I didn't use condoms when we had sex. Also because we weren't educated about what times of the month not to have sex, we had a child at 18 and 17 respectively.

*phew* Sorry I kinda ranted there...Oh well we love each other and our son is adorable.

 

[Alceste]

My old school system here in the Great Lakes area was all about abstinence. We didn't learn anything that was actually going to help us if we had sex. Couple that with the fact that I was raised Catholic, and you get "You will go to hell if you have sex before marriage...but first you will suffer from a horrible STD!" Since I thought contraceptives of any sort were bad(and since we were committing a mortal sin anyway and didn't want to make it worse) my girlfriend and I didn't use condoms when we had sex. Also because we weren't educated about what times of the month not to have sex, we had a child at 18 and 17 respectively.

*phew* Sorry I kinda ranted there...Oh well we love each other and our son is adorable.

Yeah, this kind of outcome is what comprehensive sex education is designed to help kids avoid. I'm sure you love your son, but I would be willing to bet if another teenager asked you whether they should have kids at 17 you'd advise against it. Am I right?

 

[Circle_One]

Yeah, this kind of outcome is what comprehensive sex education is designed to help kids avoid. I'm sure you love your son, but I would be willing to bet if another teenager asked you whether they should have kids at 17 you'd advise against it. Am I right?

I would. And no one loves their child like I love mine.