Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No evidence to satisfy any person other than Bahais.
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Tell me why my personal belief is wrong
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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OK, so the religious evidence is all in your head, all personal and emotional, rather than fact based. There is no way to verify it.
So why do the religious keep trespassing into fact-based reality, making assertions of fact with no supporting evidence, even with strong evidence to the contrary?
We "science people" don't do this. Science doesn't make claims about values, meaning, purpose or morality. We may have personal views on these, but we don't attribute them to science.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, there are other "science people", who do that.
I think you'll need another theist to argue theology with you, and it seems like there aren't many that care to do that. I don't know what your religious beliefs are apart from a belief in God and that you call yourself Baha'i. Just what that entails is largely unknown to me apart from the doctrine on homosexuality discussed at length in a recent thread.
As I have told you before and others have affirmed as well here, this idea that people attack your beliefs is all in your head. What is questioned if anything is how you come to those beliefs and why you believe them, not the specific doctrine. Only other theists care about theology.
As has also been suggested here, you start thread after thread bemoaning these nonexistent assaults on your beliefs. In this one, you literally invite criticism of those beliefs, but there's been little, and the criticism wasn't on religious beliefs, but rather, your distrust of science. Then you say that you believe God created the world, but don't much more about it than that, and were challenged for saying that you believe something with no evidence. That's what was questioned - holding an insufficiently supported belief, not the belief itself - and I don't think too many care whether you do that or not. Their criticisms should be understood as reasons why THEY don't hold such beliefs.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
In order make the earth, wouldn't it first be necessary to create the universe? Once the energy is in motion and the laws are in place, the rest - including the earth and it's inhabitants - must follow naturally.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I was hoping that people would understand that this OP was and still is, an attempt to let people openly reply to why they find my belief to be wrong.
I don't have a need to protect my belief anymore, because i know and unde4stand my previous way of "protecting by use of anger" was a false and wrong way.
People are free to say and think what they do.
In the OP i was just curious to why some think a personal belief as example in Baha'i is wrong (to them that would be)
So critique are ok. But know that i will see it as your or their understanding of what others belief.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, as honest as I can be. We don't know that about the universe and that includes science and not just religion.
Science in its current version as used by some people assumes that the universe is playing nice and can be explained in positive and coherent terms. That is not a given.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
You are of course welcome to hold your belief on that, i do not wish to take away anyones belief. Personally i do believe in the Baha'i teaching being right for me.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
How can we do that when we don't even know what your beliefs are?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay. Let me try.
Here are one example of them: The objective world is real.
The problem is the same as with God. Both words for "God" and "real" are in minds, but they believe they know what the world is and that they are in effect "better" and they show that by explaining that you have no evidence for your beliefs.
What they don't understand is that neither have they.
Now again morality is another thread, but as far as I can tell, you are being attack by believers in the real world. Just I haven't seen evidence as per their rules of evidence for "God", I have never seen it for "the real world".
I have no problem with belief, per se. It's what a belief is based on that's in question.
Baha'i. for example, teaches that there should be a unity of science and religion, and that if there's disagreement, defer to science.
"Until now it has been said that all religions were composed of tenets that had to be accepted, even if they seem contrary to science. Thanks be to God, that in this new cycle the admonition of Baha’u’llah is that in the search for truth man must weigh religious questions in the balance of science and reason. God has given us rational minds for this purpose, to penetrate all things, to find truth. If one renounce reason, what remains? The sacred texts? How can we understand God’s commands and to what use can we put them without the balance of reason?"
– Abdu’l-Baha, Divine Philosophy.
They change too frequently?
Nothing wrong with that except that seems to show that you have not yet hit upon a stable set of beliefs that work for you.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Oh I have Baha'i faith and it has become more and more solid, but still have much to understand
We will discuss this point 3 years from now.
Me, I like Baha'is and Baha'i values. I used to attend Baha'i firesides every Friday. But, as Baha'u'llah says, belief should be based on reason, and not all Baha'i doctrines are reasonable or fact-based. Therein lies any disagreement.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Hopefully not
i hope in 3 years time i be as clear in my answer as any of the other Baha'is in RF
Brian2
Veteran Member
For me it is not about whether a teaching is right for me, it is whether the teaching is right, whether it tells the truth.
If Baha'u'llah says he is the return of Christ and the teachings from Jesus and others in the Bible show that he is not the return of Christ then he is lying about who he is or has been deceived, either way, he is a false Christ.
Example, as a Baha'i you will find that you have to deny pretty much everything that is said below.
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I believe Baha'i teaching do tell the truth.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So please do morality based on reason or facts. Nobody in recorded history has so far been able to do that as far as I can tell. Neither science, philosophy nor religion.