mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That can be a problem. Not that you are wrong and all that, but some versions of understanding the teaching can and will lead to harm.
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Tell me why my personal belief is wrong
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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That can be a problem. Not that you are wrong and all that, but some versions of understanding the teaching can and will lead to harm.
beliefs aren't true or necessarily false. they're suppositions. it's like imagination. not realistic until otherwise proven to be so.
anyone who relies on them heavily isn't being realistic.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
There will always be difference in our understanding of the teachings, example I understanding the teaching one way, you a bit different, @Trailblazer has her understanding of the teaching.
That does not mean any of us are wrong, it only means we have not reached the same level of understanding of the teaching.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Would you say that a bacteria, 4 billion years ago, created you? For humans to exist, primates had to exist, for primates to exist mammals had to exist, for mammals to exist, chordates had to exist, for chordates to exist multicellular life had to exist, for multicellular life to exist bacteria had to exist. Therefore a bacteria created you.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Now first a question. If I explain the general problem with relying on an objective source for morality, can you then try to learn from it and not consider it being wrong?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And the universe created the bacteria. But we don't have a correct answer with reason, logic and evidence for all of the universe or even what the universe is.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Yes I know.
I added a bit to the post you just answered. I post it below. It shows how the teachings of Baha'i deny what the Bible tells us about the return of Christ and how it means that Christians who are waiting for the return of Christ and anyone else who wants to see who Baha'u'llah is, should be warned by what the Bible says and not follow after Baha'u'llah.
If Baha'u'llah says he is the return of Christ and the teachings from Jesus and others in the Bible show that he is not the return of Christ then he is lying about who he is or has been deceived, either way, he is a false Christ.
Example, as a Baha'i you will find that you have to deny pretty much everything that is said below.
Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
Out of curiosity, how would you respond to the same question were I to pose it to you?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I still have no problem seeing Baha'i teaching as right too.
You believe differently than I do, i do not see a problem with that.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
It was said of Christ that He deceives. It has been cited to you in the past the saying by Christ "Ye shall know them by their fruits", but you have concluded that Baha'u'llah has rotten fruits because, and this in my own point of view, He disagrees with your interpretation of the station of Christ among other things. You seem to hold that your interpretation is right, and can't be anything else. We hold that a person claiming to be a Messenger of God should not be decided on a person's understanding of scripture, but on His fruits, which doesn't include whether he interprets scripture by a persons understanding of scripture. The Messenger of God has every right to tell us the true interpretation of scripture. I think also you should realize that a particular historical story, for instance, can be garbled after reported after a number of years. I'm thinking in particular of those demons begging Christ not to cast them out at this moment.
Baha'u'llah didn't claim to be the Christ in my understanding. He was a different individual but manifested the same spiritual qualities.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Y ou believe or don't believe what satisfies you, and we believe what satisfies us.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I would reply.
I do not have a problem with your belief, it is not up to me to say if you believe something that could be wrong, because i do not know or understand enough about your faith.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Indeed, it's by no means a given that the universe can be divested of all her secrets; what we have in the Big Bang is a mathematical model apparently confirmed by observations. But the theory is incomplete, and there is no astronomical evidence before the universe was approximately 370,000 years old, nor can there be. Thus the singularity, and period of rapid inflation, are entirely theoretical.
At the fundamental - ie sub atomic - level, comprehension is considerably more elusive, and no consensus exists regarding the ontological implications of a century of discovery; nor even, whether there is an underlying reality to describe at all.
The question the earth asks of heaven in Percy Shelley's Prometheus Unbound, is as yet unanswered, and will probably remain so for some time to come;
"Heav'n, hast thou secrets? Man unveils me, I have none."
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
We have a different interpretation, and we don't believe that every historical event is recounted completely accurately, if it comes to that.
Good. But why then would you ask folks to do what you choose not to do?
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
You just made a thread all about how you do not give a **** what other people think of your beliefs.
Why the sudden change of heart?
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Let's just say bacteria is involved in the web of causality that currently manifests in a phenomenon I call 'me'.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
Well, that is clearly wrong. We understand the process involved in planetary formation - and there is no requirement for any supernatural input.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
There is something else wrong with your beliefs. You believe stuff that you don't understand.
KWED
Scratching head, scratching knee
What you are tailing about is not "evidence". It is "belief". Two quite different things, as you have already admitted.