Tell the World

[CG Didymus]

Ah, my apologies then, as I missed it. Mea culpa....

Of course, Tony has to support the idea that these messengers are what keeps moving humanity forward in what Baha'is call "an ever-advancing" civilization. Baha'is never talk about the great civilizations that had a type of religion that had beliefs and Gods that most people would call myth.

 

[CG Didymus]

For the first time in history we have a protection against people that want to take God's faith into their own direction.

What if it's redefined as the "true" direction that the Faith should be going?

How else could you fit in, or perhaps stay in? Nobody likes a rabblerouser.

What if the liberal/progressives do take over?

I was referring to the folks who get kicked out because of rabble rousing, or challenging the teachings they viewed as archaic, intolerant, homophobic, or lies. Of course you can't be a rabble rouser, and expect to stay in the faith. (What a lovely word - rabble rouser)

I had a profound thought this morning. Like maybe I'm on a mission from God or something?

Anyway, we have this teenager from Sweden taken on the establishment with how it's screwing up the environment. In Florida we had a bunch of teenagers that survived a mass shooting at their high school protesting gun laws. We have refugees everywhere trying to find a place where they can live in peace without fear from gangs or the government.

What if one of them read the Baha'i writings and thought that finally a religion that supports change. Baha'is want to save the environment. They are anti-gun. They want all people to live as one and be free in a world that doesn't allow tyrannical political leaders, or drug lords or street gangs to rule. A world without out borders. A world where all people can live in peace.

This did already happen in the U.S. with the Hippies. Several did join the Baha'i Faith. What if it happens again? These young people give up on the politicians and say, "Why not join this religion? It says it is from God and that peace is inevitable. They will surely listen to us and help us build a better world?"

What if a 100,000 young people joined the Baha'i Faith? What if it kept growing and these young people outnumbered the "active" Baha'is? What if they started voting some of their people into power? People that said, "No, we are not going to wait for change. We've waited long enough. Now is the time for Change. This is God's plan, and we are going to put it into action."

What would the old Baha'is do? Say, "We must not rush into things. We must wait for God's time." Then the young people would say, "How do you know this isn't God time? Are you going to keep waiting until the old-world order pollutes or blows up the world? Now is the time for the people to take control and put people into power that will bring war to an end. That will say 'no' to the big money people and their corporations that are destroying the environment. If we don't save the planet now. When will we? Tomorrow might be too late."

Very similar things were being said 50 years ago. My Baha'i friends were out telling people, "Hey, men and woman are equal. All races are equal. All religions are one." They went on mass-teaching projects with the purpose of getting massive amounts of people to join. And it was predicted in the Baha'i writings that someday there would be "entry by troops."

"Mass" got redefined as 8 or 9 people. Which then became 2 or 3. Which became "Yeah! We got 1 person to declare!" The problem was what Baha'is call "deepening". The new Baha'i were in areas with very few even no Baha'is. During the teaching project several fired up young Baha'is came to a small town, usually on an Indian Reservation, then left. They local Baha'is weren't prepared to "deepen" these new people. So, lots of them were on the membership list, but were never involved in actually participating in Baha'i things.

But what do Baha'is do? They sit in meetings. They read some of the Baha'i prayers and read some of the writings. But do they go out and promote the Faith? No. It was mostly Baha'i young people that would do all this teaching. And most of them were fairly new Baha'is. So, the message was very basic... "It's time for peace. The old-world order is being rolled up and a new world order, from God, is being rolled out. Things are going to change." But too many Baha'is weren't really doing a whole lot. Lots of my Baha'i friends left or became part of the Baha'i establishment.

We know what happened to those progressive thinkers that got in trouble because of the article in the "Dialogue" magazine. Several got kicked out and/or left. But what if enough young people joined to where they could have the power? I think it is possible. And then what? The establishment Baha'is would go quietly? The new progressive Baha'is wouldn't push for change? Change that some Baha'is would fear? And maybe not want?

I think there is a good chance, that if ever there is "entry by troops", it's going to be the disenfranchised masses that join. And will probably be thinking that "Finally, a religion for us. That gives us an equal voice." Power to the rabble rousers. May they live long and prosper.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What if it's redefined as the "true" direction that the Faith should be going?

What if the liberal/progressives doI take over?

I had a profound thought this morning. Like maybe I'm on a mission from God or something?

Anyway, we have this teenager from Sweden taken on the establishment with how it's screwing up the environment. In Florida we had a bunch of teenagers that survived a mass shooting at their high school protesting gun laws. We have refugees everywhere trying to find a place where they can live in peace without fear from gangs or the government.

What if one of them read the Baha'i writings and thought that finally a religion that supports change. Baha'is want to save the environment. They are anti-gun. They want all people to live as one and be free in a world that doesn't allow tyrannical political leaders, or drug lords or street gangs to rule. A world without out borders. A world where all people can live in peace.

This did already happen in the U.S. with the Hippies. Several did join the Baha'i Faith. What if it happens again? These young people give up on the politicians and say, "Why not join this religion? It says it is from God and that peace is inevitable. They will surely listen to us and help us build a better world?"

What if a 100,000 young people joined the Baha'i Faith? What if it kept growing and these young people outnumbered the "active" Baha'is? What if they started voting some of their people into power? People that said, "No, we are not going to wait for change. We've waited long enough. Now is the time for Change. This is God's plan, and we are going to put it into action."

What would the old Baha'is do? Say, "We must not rush into things. We must wait for God's time." Then the young people would say, "How do you know this isn't God time? Are you going to keep waiting until the old-world order pollutes or blows up the world? Now is the time for the people to take control and put people into power that will bring war to an end. That will say 'no' to the big money people and their corporations that are destroying the environment. If we don't save the planet now. When will we? Tomorrow might be too late."

Very similar things were being said 50 years ago. My Baha'i friends were out telling people, "Hey, men and woman are equal. All races are equal. All religions are one." They went on mass-teaching projects with the purpose of getting massive amounts of people to join. And it was predicted in the Baha'i writings that someday there would be "entry by troops."

"Mass" got redefined as 8 or 9 people. Which then became 2 or 3. Which became "Yeah! We got 1 person to declare!" The problem was what Baha'is call "deepening". The new Baha'i were in areas with very few even no Baha'is. During the teaching project several fired up young Baha'is came to a small town, usually on an Indian Reservation, then left. They local Baha'is weren't prepared to "deepen" these new people. So, lots of them were on the membership list, but were never involved in actually participating in Baha'i things.

But what do Baha'is do? They sit in meetings. They read some of the Baha'i prayers and read some of the writings. But do they go out and promote the Faith? No. It was mostly Baha'i young people that would do all this teaching. And most of them were fairly new Baha'is. So, the message was very basic... "It's time for peace. The old-world order is being rolled up and a new world order, from God, is being rolled out. Things are going to change." But too many Baha'is weren't really doing a whole lot. Lots of my Baha'i friends left or became part of the Baha'i establishment.

We know what happened to those progressive thinkers that got in trouble because of the article in the "Dialogue" magazine. Several got kicked out and/or left. But what if enough young people joined to where they could have the power? I think it is possible. And then what? The establishment Baha'is would go quietly? The new progressive Baha'is wouldn't push for change? Change that some Baha'is would fear? And maybe not want?

I think there is a good chance, that if ever there is "entry by troops", it's going to be the disenfranchised masses that join. And will probably be thinking that "Finally, a religion for us. That gives us an equal voice." Power to the rabble rousers. May they live long and prosper.

How long has the change been peacefully offered now? Were you able to do better, but have chosen not to?

So you offer rabble rouser conflicts are required to shape the future. That is what Baha'i prophecy had said will happen, when we rejected God's given path to peace.

We all get consumed in our own hypocritical lives. It eats at our very soul.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

How long has the change been peacefully offered now? Were you able to do better, but have chosen not to?

So you offer rabble rouser conflicts are required to shape the future. That is what Baha'i prophecy had said will happen, when we rejected God's given path to peace.

We all get consumed in our own hypocritical lives. It eats at our very soul.

Regards Tony

Is it wrong to expect more from Baha'is? Are they building the new world order? Or, is what they have built, the buildings and those people inside those buildings, just as bad as what other religions have done? What has been fulfilled? Tell people what? A new day has come? Peace is at hand? Maybe a few Baha'is are actively doing things to make the world better, but what about the majority? Are they at their jobs? At their houses? Waiting for the day to come when the Baha'is Faith is what? Taken seriously? Becomes the majority? Takes control and implements God's laws and plans? Or is the plan just to wait for the old-world order to crumble?

I think, like with the kids of the sixties, the kids of today are getting pretty tired of the way things are being done. If they join the Baha'i Faith, how long before they get tired of the way the old Baha'is are not getting things done? What will Baha'is do? Kick them out? And back to my question about Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi, if they were Baha'is, would they have been allowed to do their protests?

So, if left up to Baha'is where would Blacks in America be today? And where would the people in India be? There will be rabble rousers. They might use civil disobedience they might use guns. But a change is a comin. With or without the Baha'is. But it seems more likely without, because Baha'is want to keep a low-profile and not get into "political" things.

What do Baha'is do? Other than talk about peace and keep waiting for the world to fall apart. And then think they will be so together and established that they'll be in a position to unite the world?

Or, before things get really bad, the leaders of the nations will join together and establish the "lessor" peace. But even that would not be something Baha'is are involved in? It is totally apart from the Baha'i Faith? So, what do Baha'is do? They keep trying to "find" those people out there that might want to join the Faith. Maybe add a few people in the cities. One or two out in the small towns. Maybe establish some more LSA's. Just what will Baha'is do if there ever is a mass conversion? Oh, and what has happened to those people in villages and towns that did experience mass conversions? I was told whole villages became Baha'is. Where was that? Africa? India? What are things like now in those villages?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What do Baha'is do? Other than talk about peace and keep waiting for the world to fall apart. And then think they will be so together and established that they'll be in a position to unite the world?

You can join community building activities to find out CG, they have been happening since the late 1980's to early 1990's. You do not have to be a Baha'i to participate.

So the Baha'i are currently building a foundation for a new world order in every Nation of the world in as many places they can find people that are willing to help, rather than wait. Maybe the youth you speak of are already embracing this opportunity?

This foundation will be for people to turn to when what they have waited for vanishes in the destruction of materialism, that is the old world order.

If you want to find out the level of detachment Baha'u'llah calls for, and know why this is just as hard for Baha'i as any other person, please take the time to read this provisional translation of the Tablet of Panj Kanz - The Five Treasures
Panj Kanz (The Five Treasures)-kanz/

Basically it answers this question.

"One day, Baha'u'llah was walking in the bírúní of the Most Great House in Baghdád when some of the princes of Persia, who were residing in that land, entered His presence. With the utmost solicitude, the Ancient Beauty inquired after them and asked about the current affairs of that land. One of them made this remark, “How is it that You discuss spiritual matters with Your friends when they attain Your presence, but with us You ask only of the town and the market? It seems You do not consider us worthy,”

All the best CG, Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

What if it's redefined as the "true" direction that the Faith should be going?

What if the liberal/progressives do take over?

I had a profound thought this morning. Like maybe I'm on a mission from God or something?

Anyway, we have this teenager from Sweden taken on the establishment with how it's screwing up the environment. In Florida we had a bunch of teenagers that survived a mass shooting at their high school protesting gun laws. We have refugees everywhere trying to find a place where they can live in peace without fear from gangs or the government.

What if one of them read the Baha'i writings and thought that finally a religion that supports change. Baha'is want to save the environment. They are anti-gun. They want all people to live as one and be free in a world that doesn't allow tyrannical political leaders, or drug lords or street gangs to rule. A world without out borders. A world where all people can live in peace.

This did already happen in the U.S. with the Hippies. Several did join the Baha'i Faith. What if it happens again? These young people give up on the politicians and say, "Why not join this religion? It says it is from God and that peace is inevitable. They will surely listen to us and help us build a better world?"

What if a 100,000 young people joined the Baha'i Faith? What if it kept growing and these young people outnumbered the "active" Baha'is? What if they started voting some of their people into power? People that said, "No, we are not going to wait for change. We've waited long enough. Now is the time for Change. This is God's plan, and we are going to put it into action."

What would the old Baha'is do? Say, "We must not rush into things. We must wait for God's time." Then the young people would say, "How do you know this isn't God time? Are you going to keep waiting until the old-world order pollutes or blows up the world? Now is the time for the people to take control and put people into power that will bring war to an end. That will say 'no' to the big money people and their corporations that are destroying the environment. If we don't save the planet now. When will we? Tomorrow might be too late."

Very similar things were being said 50 years ago. My Baha'i friends were out telling people, "Hey, men and woman are equal. All races are equal. All religions are one." They went on mass-teaching projects with the purpose of getting massive amounts of people to join. And it was predicted in the Baha'i writings that someday there would be "entry by troops."

"Mass" got redefined as 8 or 9 people. Which then became 2 or 3. Which became "Yeah! We got 1 person to declare!" The problem was what Baha'is call "deepening". The new Baha'i were in areas with very few even no Baha'is. During the teaching project several fired up young Baha'is came to a small town, usually on an Indian Reservation, then left. They local Baha'is weren't prepared to "deepen" these new people. So, lots of them were on the membership list, but were never involved in actually participating in Baha'i things.

But what do Baha'is do? They sit in meetings. They read some of the Baha'i prayers and read some of the writings. But do they go out and promote the Faith? No. It was mostly Baha'i young people that would do all this teaching. And most of them were fairly new Baha'is. So, the message was very basic... "It's time for peace. The old-world order is being rolled up and a new world order, from God, is being rolled out. Things are going to change." But too many Baha'is weren't really doing a whole lot. Lots of my Baha'i friends left or became part of the Baha'i establishment.

We know what happened to those progressive thinkers that got in trouble because of the article in the "Dialogue" magazine. Several got kicked out and/or left. But what if enough young people joined to where they could have the power? I think it is possible. And then what? The establishment Baha'is would go quietly? The new progressive Baha'is wouldn't push for change? Change that some Baha'is would fear? And maybe not want?

I think there is a good chance, that if ever there is "entry by troops", it's going to be the disenfranchised masses that join. And will probably be thinking that "Finally, a religion for us. That gives us an equal voice." Power to the rabble rousers. May they live long and prosper.

Yes indeed, it's an interesting time on the planet. Technology is exploding. Changes in how we produce food, that new telescope, and much much more. I have no idea what it'll be like here in 100 years. There might be a mass movement to something or other, but I doubt it personally. I thought it would happen in the 60s, and it sort of did, but it fizzled, for the most part.

So many social movements came and went. I remain optimistic.

'On a mission from God' reminded me of Dan Akroyd. He's some distant cousin of my wife's. Have a great evening. It's darn cold here.

 

[CG Didymus]

You can join community building activities to find out CG, they have been happening since the late 1980's to early 1990's. You do not have to be a Baha'i to participate.

So the Baha'i are currently building a foundation for a new world order in every Nation of the world in as many places they can find people that are willing to help, rather than wait. Maybe the youth you speak of are already embracing this opportunity?

What are the community building activities and where are they being done. And what changes have these activities brought about?

And what is the foundation that Baha'is are building? Is it more than LSA's and NSA's?

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes indeed, it's an interesting time on the planet. Technology is exploding. Changes in how we produce food, that new telescope, and much much more. I have no idea what it'll be like here in 100 years. There might be a mass movement to something or other, but I doubt it personally. I thought it would happen in the 60s, and it sort of did, but it fizzled, for the most part.

So many social movements came and went. I remain optimistic.

'On a mission from God' reminded me of Dan Akroyd. He's some distant cousin of my wife's. Have a great evening. It's darn cold here.

It's freezing here too. It's below 50 degrees today.

And yes, I was borrowing that line from "The Blues Brothers."

Nothing seems to get done until it reaches crisis mode. In U.S. in the 60's and 70's and was mostly the Vietnam war that got young people thinking and looking for alternatives. But the establishment wasn't on their side. I heard a quote from Reagan. As they drove past some Hippies, Reagan read the sign and it said, "Make Love Not War". He commented, "By the looks of them, they couldn't do either."

Today, it still seems like people don't care until something bad happens. And a lot of bad things keep happening. Maybe because there is more news coverage now. Maybe the Baha'i Faith is true. Maybe they are doing the right thing by building up their institutions. But, to me, they're already the "establishment". I think they are controlled by a conservative leadership.

I hope another mass movement happens. And some change does take place, but it seems like the people in power can just wait and let latest movement, whether it's Black Live Matter or the environment or gun control, just fizzle out.