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Tell the World
- Thread starter TransmutingSoul
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Any one who differs has an agenda and will not be listened to. If causing trouble to the closed loop HoJ (like what CG posted), the person can be declared a 'covenant breaker'. How convenient!
CG Didymus
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I think it is important that the Baha'i Faith makes sure that nobody strays too far away from the core beliefs. They don't want to be divided into sects. So, at the top positions, there should be the type of people that don't want to see divisive attitudes creeping in. Like in the U.S. Supreme Court, get too many people in from one party, and the interpretations of the Constitution changes. Just think if some extremely liberal Baha'is got elected to the UHJ or NSA's? They might cause all sorts of changes. So, better to maintain the balance... keep only like-minded conservative Baha'is in positions of power.
I've been accused of having an anti-Bahai agenda. Maybe you're next, Aup. We can form a club.
9 guys with the same POV on everything. That seems like a waste of 8 guys, as one would suffice.
I see people do this to themselves Vinayaka, their responses indicate thier motive.
It is obvious when people come with the objective to throw doubt it's the discussion, that they have no idea about the issue they want people to doubt.
Then when it is explained, it is found all they wanted to do was offer the doubt. As any good and reasonable information offered in reply will have that person looking for more doubt, or they go away in the background until they can bring more doubt another time.
Regards Tony
It would not matter who was elected CG, the Covernant is a clear guide, a legal document, the laws are given and can not be changed.
True liberty is working within that system. The system allows for all views, yet our views need to be contained, just as each solar system is contained and balanced
One also has to appreciate why one chooses to be a Baha'i. Unity requires us to approach conversation without divisive motives.
Liberty is explained like this by Baha'u'llah in Baha'i Law.
"It is incumbent upon them who are in authority to exercise moderation in all things. Whatsoever passeth beyond the limits of moderation will cease to exert a beneficial influence. Consider for instance such things as liberty, civilization and the like. However much men of understanding may favourably regard them, they will, if carried to excess, exercise a pernicious influence upon men." (Tablets revealed after the Kitab-I-Aqdas)
Baha'u'llah also writes, "The liberty that profiteth you is to be found nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal Truth. Whose hath tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion of earth and heaven."
The warning Baha'u'llah offered about Liberty is this "Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the animal."
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Like someone who only has "yes" men around him that keep telling him he's great and is doing a bang-up job.
I have no doubts, Tony. The situation is clear.
An apt description of Bahaiworld.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Not that I believe it can be maintained, but I do think that conservative Baha'is need to have the positions of power. They will stay within the "clear" guidance.
But, what if, and I'm sure it's already happened, someone has some more "liberal" and progressive ideas? They can't be allowed to get too high up the ranks. And for sure, the UHJ couldn't allow a majority to ever be made up with progressive thinking people.
So, you say the laws cannot be changed, but what if they are reinterpreted? Like no alcohol? Is that an absolute God-given law? Heck, Jesus drank. What if we have a loser interpretation and allow people to have a glass of wine with dinner? And then it's a small step to adding beer to the list. The maybe, once in a while, a mixed drink. Of course, all in moderation.
Then no drugs? What about a little caffeine? Maybe allow one visit per day to a Starbucks? Strict, absolute laws are so... strict. Loosen up a little. Like after a hard day wouldn't a little marijuana help relax you? Especially medical marijuana. That might have scientific backing.
Oh, and then really, no women on the UHJ? Come on, that is so "old" world order. We need a new world order where men and women are totally and completely equal. Gotta be a loophole in that law.
And now that LBGQT+ are out of the closet, is the Baha'i Faith going to stick them back in? Not if liberal/progressive Baha'is gain power.
Yeah, conservative believers are best in positions of power. And they'd be much better at having enforcers out there making sure everyone complies.
There is only Baha'i. Labels placed on people's views are not even considered, there is just a view on can put forward to the whole to consider.
Abdul'baha offered this.
"The members thereof must take counsel together in such wise that no occasion for ill-feeling or discord may arise. This can be attained when every member expresseth with absolute freedom his own opinion and setteth forth his argument. Should anyone oppose, he must on no account feel hurt for not until matters are fully discussed can the right way be revealed. The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions. If after discussion, a decision be carried unanimously well and good; but if, the Lord forbid, differences of opinion should arise, a majority of voices must prevail."
Regards Tony
You did not read my last post, as this was covered in my last post. I have noted this happens a lot now CG.
Which means you really are not after the answers you ask and I will offer to you that I have noted the veiled backhanded comments in your posts for some time, like the way you have done in this reply.
Liberal and progressive does not have to be a rebellion against God's given Laws and Gods given Covernant, in fact it is the opposite, it is a destructive person bound to this world and intent on their own desires.
Regards Tony
No the Laws in the Kitab-i-aqdas can not be changed. There can be no more interpretation of those laws. Some have been explained, some have not, some have penalties other have not yet been given penalties or full clarity.
The Covernant covers this, all aspects of the law, that is not written in the book, and all laws which have not had the full details already given, are for the Universal House of Justice to legislate on. They can implement and repeal all that they implement, but the Laws in the Kitab-i-aqdas will be valid for this dispensation.
Yes, to no Alcohol.
Yes to, no taking of non medicinal drugs.
Yes to, no sex before marriage.
Etc
Baha'u'llah called for a new race of mankind, not a race that wanted religion as a badge to be worn if it suited them. A new race of mankind has to get rid of a lot of old baggage.
Regards Tony
This has naught to do with Gender Equality as the equality of men and women is now firmly established and practiced.
This is a law given of God which we are told will become obvious in the future, which both men and women have to submit to.
Regards Tony
I have no idea how this will unfold. The Law is clear, so it is only time that will answer this.
What I will say is that, unbridled liberty and the liberal side of this topic has made a disaster out of how we can reconcile this and many issue.
Regards Tony
Your backhanded comment, which I offered thoughts about in another post.
Regards Tony
Clarity can be veiled, chosen frames of references can blind and then there is inintentional blindness, both of which show us this world is not that clear.
Regards Tony
idea
Question Everything
Some old family acquaintances never went to college because they were convinced it was the end of the world... year after year, the world did not end. Their parents died, they had to get a job.... people go their entire lives denying reality.
So many today believe the end of the world, the 2nd coming is right around the corner - they live their lives in fear, prepping for the war that will never come, living in paranoia - what a waste when they could be out enjoying the sunshine, when they could have enjoyed their life.