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Ten Commandments

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lostwanderingsoul

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Many people say that Jesus did away with the ten commandments. But that does not mean it is OK to kill someone. It is not OK to steal or commit adultery. In fact the only commandment they really think is done away with is the one about the Sabbath day. So what did Jesus really do about the commandments? Did He eliminate the need to obey all ten? Or did He eliminate one but not the other nine? Or did He not really eliminate any of them?
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
I don't know much about the commandments, but its human nature in your heart and soul to follow them without even knowing them Imo :)


i shall read them to see how wrong i am ;)
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Jesus said he was lord of the Sabbath, didn't he???
 
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lostwanderingsoul said:
Many people say that Jesus did away with the ten commandments. But that does not mean it is OK to kill someone. It is not OK to steal or commit adultery. In fact the only commandment they really think is done away with is the one about the Sabbath day. So what did Jesus really do about the commandments? Did He eliminate the need to obey all ten? Or did He eliminate one but not the other nine? Or did He not really eliminate any of them?
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The Mosaic law came to an end and was fulfilled by Jesus.Now we have the law of Christ.Moses was the mediator between God and the physical nation of Israel.Jesus is the mediator between God and the spiritual nation of Israel.Mosaic law was for physical Jews.The law of Christ is for spiritual Jews.Those who have faith in God and follow Christ will be saved.Most of the old laws remained in place such as "Thou shall not kill."
Things like the Sabbath,circumcision and Kosher laws(Not eating shellfish) were done away with.So although Jesus established a new covenant,most of the laws remain.

So you are correct, it is not ok to kill.People who think this way have not yet come to acquire an accurate knowledge of the truth.

Ps.Note:Circumcision and Kosher laws are part of the other laws, and not part of the Ten commandments.I know I mentioned them together.
 
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Lyndon said:
Jesus said he was lord of the Sabbath, didn't he???
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“LordoftheSabbath.” While on earth, Jesus Christ referred to himself as “Lord of the sabbath.” (Mt 12:8) The literal Sabbath day, which was meant to bring the Israelites relief from their labors, was “a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ.” (Col 2:16, 17) In connection with those “things to come,” there is a sabbath of which Jesus is to be the Lord. As Lord of lords, Christ will rule all the earth for a thousand years. (Re 19:16; 20:6) During his earthly ministry, Jesus performed some of his most outstanding miraculous works on the Sabbath. (Lu 13:10-13; Joh 5:5-9; 9:1-14) This evidently shows the kind of relief that he will bring as he raises mankind to spiritual and physical perfection during his coming Millennial Rule, which thus will be like a period of sabbath rest for the earth and mankind.—Re 21:1-4.

Sabbath Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
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"Christians Not Under Decalogue. Jesus was born under the Law, and he kept it perfectly, finally giving up his life as a ransom for mankind. (Ga 4:4; 1Jo 2:2) Furthermore, by his death on the torture stake, he freed those under the Law (including the basic Ten Words or Commandments) “by becoming a curse instead” of them. His death provided for the ‘blotting out of the handwritten document,’ it being nailed to the torture stake.—Ga 3:13; Col 2:13, 14.

Nevertheless, a study of the Law with its Ten Words is essential for Christians, for it reveals God’s viewpoint of matters, and it had “a shadow of the good things to come,” of the reality that belongs to the Christ. (Heb 10:1; Col 2:17; Ga 6:2) Christians are “not without law toward God but under law toward Christ.” (1Co 9:21) But they are not condemned as sinners by that law, for the undeserved kindness of God through Christ provides forgiveness for their errors due to fleshly weakness.—Ro 3:23, 24."

Ten Words — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Lyndon

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
I think when most Christians say Jesus made the law obsolete, they were talking about Talmudic law, not the ten commandments.
 
mainliner

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
Thou shall not kill .

if my family is threatened with murder ..... I would kill to stop this without question

i wouldn't be the killer ...... So that comandment Imo should be " thou shall not be the killer"
 
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Lyndon said:
I think when most Christians say Jesus made the law obsolete, they were talking about Talmudic law, not the ten commandments.
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Things such as physical circumcision was no longer required afterJesus.Circumcision was a covenant between God and Abraham.This was for Jews.All those who follow Christ are spiritual Jews now.They have circumcision of the heart.Paul speaks of this.Romans 2:29 "No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God."

Kosher laws that prohibited Jews from eating shell fish and other unclean animals was also done away with.
Now all one has to do is pray before eating and this sanctifies the food.

1 Timothy 4:4,5. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

The Sabbath day is the ony one removed from the Ten Commandments.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Over and over and over again the Tanakh makes it abundantly clear that us Jews must follow the Mosaiic Law or else, and the "or else" wasn't pleasant. It makes not one iota of sense to read this frequent theme in the Tanakh and then somehow feel that God suddenly changed His mind and said the Law wasn't important at all to follow.

But if one reading this is a gentile, no need to worry about following them beyond those just cited in the "N.T.".
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
and the quote I got is more like...

I have not come to take away the law ...but to fulfill it.

He was addressing an issue to which the crowd seemed confused.
As if the law of Moses, no longer mattered.
 
Lyndon

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"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Yeah, and most of the "Overthrowing of the law" was the words of Paul, not Jesus.
 
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mainliner said:
Thou shall not kill .

if my family is threatened with murder ..... I would kill to stop this without question

i wouldn't be the killer ...... So that comandment Imo should be " thou shall not be the killer"
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There is nothing wrong with defending your family, but according to the holy scriptures,it tells those who follow God not to kill.When Jesus was captured and arrested Peter struck the slave to the high priest on the ear and chopped it off.Jesus told Peter, "No!" Jesus not only told Peter to stop and place his sword back, but Jesus also healed the man who's ear was cut off.Jesus peacefully went with these men.Jesus set the example.

I know it is difficult and it might seem very strange but God has laws and we must do our best to follow them.God knows our hearts.He knows if we are really just trying to defend our families or if we just want revenge.

Just like a cool passage I like sharing with others points out.It speaks of those who are caught stealing in homes.People assume that this passage is saying it is ok to kill a burglar.It is not ok.It mentions the rules of engagement.Lets read the first part.

Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

3"But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.…

So in the first scripture it says basically if someone comes into your home and is robbing your home at night and you hit him to stop him,and he dies,there is no guilt on your part.

The second scripture is saying that if it occurs in the daytime and the thief is seen,then he is to be caught and made to repay what he stole.If he cannot,then he is to be sold into slavery until he has paid off what he stole.

It is saying that since he was seen in the light, and can be identified,there is no reason to strike him or kill him.He is to be made to pay for the crime.Stealing is not a capital offense.
I just thought I would share this with you.
 
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