Ten Commandments

[Nada]

Yeah, and most of the "Overthrowing of the law" was the words of Paul, not Jesus.

There was no "Overthrowing of the law" by Paul.Paul preached by way of holy spirit and was responsible for more writings in the NT than any other disciple.14 total.

 

[metis]

Where's the logic in God supposedly OK-ing the dropping the Sabbath Law but not any of the other Ten or 612?

 

[Lyndon]

Paul was the predicted anti christ IMHO

 

[Lyndon]

Where's the logic in God supposedly OK-ing the dropping the Sabbath Law but not any of the other Ten or 612?

It was the early members of what was to become the Catholic church that adopted Sunday, nothing to do with the times of the New Testament, largely because they were trying to distance themselves from Jews according to some scholars, the other reason was to celebrate the resurrection which occurred on a Sunday.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

He combined them (A and B):

A. Love God with all your heart

To love God you have to put Him first, put another Gods before Him, dont make of Him an idol image, ddont misuse His name, and remember Him at least one day of the week.

B. Love your neighbor

To love your neighbor you honor your parents, do not kill, do not steal, dont commit adultry, do not lie, dont convert neighbors house etc.

Many people say that Jesus did away with the ten commandments. But that does not mean it is OK to kill someone. It is not OK to steal or commit adultery. In fact the only commandment they really think is done away with is the one about the Sabbath day. So what did Jesus really do about the commandments? Did He eliminate the need to obey all ten? Or did He eliminate one but not the other nine? Or did He not really eliminate any of them?

 

[metis]

It was the early members of what was to become the Catholic church that adopted Sunday, nothing to do with the times of the New Testament, largely because they were trying to distance themselves from Jews according to some scholars, the other reason was to celebrate the resurrection which occurred on a Sunday.

Yes, and this was done in the early 2nd century, by all indications, and the full observance of Sunday was well incorporated by the end of that century.

 

[Nada]

Paul was the predicted anti christ IMHO

This is not correct brother.There is no predicted "anti christ" as you think.It does not speak of one certain person being an antichrist.All that oppose Jesus are antichrist.It pertains to all,not one.

1 John 4:3 "but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

So here we have John saying that it "is coming".He is speaking of the future.He also states,"and even now is already in the world." So by examining this passage one can easily see that John speaks about those who oppose Jesus are already amongst the disciples, and more will emerge in the future, as is being witnessed today.So the word antichrist really means all those who oppose Jesus and deny him.

Paul was not an antichrist.He was a disciple of Jesus.

Ps.Also notice how it says the "spirit of the antichrist." This can be observed today in the behavior of the world.The spirit of this world is that of satan the devil.Those who belong to this world represent the god of this world.

 

[Nietzsche]

Which set of the 10 are we talking about? The one with not boiling a baby goat in its mothers' milk or..?

 

[wizanda]

Or did He not really eliminate any of them?

From his own mouth, when asked about eternal life, he told people they had to follow the commandments.

The keeping of the sabbath is a law made for man and not God; so Christ didn't do away with it, just showed there are sometimes more important things to attend to, than silly ritualistic practises.

From Paul, he never did away with the commandments; he stated the law of Moses was fulfilled/ended.

So the commandments still stand according to Christ, and are the way to gain eternal life, and needed to even enter heaven.

 

[Hawkins]

A covenant is basically composed of Law and Grace. In the covenant with the Jews, Mosaic Law is the Law part of it. The covering scope is basically the Jews (non Jews can join if God allows, that is, in the absence of the New Covenant). Some core commandments (such as the 10 commandments in the Mosaic covenant) can be common in all covenants. So by the verbal announcement of Jesus Himself, Sabbath is missing in the New Covenant (covering a scope of all mankind).

Moreover, the Law part in the New Covenant is minimized to zero (such that a judgment by Law will be absent on the Judgment Day), and with the Grace maximized to 100% (such that Christians are said to be saved by faith alone). Because the Law part is absent, commandments are thus obeyed as teaching instead of law. The difference is that under the New Covenant, if you break them at a certain point, you can still be saved as long as you are willing to repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ, and to be like Him.

 

[Awoon]

Did Moses use these laws as a template for Jewish laws?

Hammurabi's Code: An Eye for an Eye [ushistory.org]


Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?

 

[Lyndon]

Jesus and his disciples kept the Sabbath, it was man who changed it around the second century as Metis pointed out.

 

[mainliner]

There is nothing wrong with defending your family, but according to the holy scriptures,it tells those who follow God not to kill.When Jesus was captured and arrested Peter struck the slave to the high priest on the ear and chopped it off.Jesus told Peter, "No!" Jesus not only told Peter to stop and place his sword back, but Jesus also healed the man who's ear was cut off.Jesus peacefully went with these men.Jesus set the example.

I know it is difficult and it might seem very strange but God has laws and we must do our best to follow them.God knows our hearts.He knows if we are really just trying to defend our families or if we just want revenge.

Just like a cool passage I like sharing with others points out.It speaks of those who are caught stealing in homes.People assume that this passage is saying it is ok to kill a burglar.It is not ok.It mentions the rules of engagement.Lets read the first part.

Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

3"But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. He shall surely make restitution; if he owns nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.…

So in the first scripture it says basically if someone comes into your home and is robbing your home at night and you hit him to stop him,and he dies,there is no guilt on your part.

The second scripture is saying that if it occurs in the daytime and the thief is seen,then he is to be caught and made to repay what he stole.If he cannot,then he is to be sold into slavery until he has paid off what he stole.

It is saying that since he was seen in the light, and can be identified,there is no reason to strike him or kill him.He is to be made to pay for the crime.Stealing is not a capital offense.
I just thought I would share this with you.

if i had a choice, my family dead by one person for no reason, or me killing him to prevent it ........ I would kill

 

[Nada]

if i had a choice, my family dead by one person for no reason, or me killing him to prevent it ........ I would kill

I understand..........

 

[Nada]

From his own mouth, when asked about eternal life, he told people they had to follow the commandments.

The keeping of the sabbath is a law made for man and not God; so Christ didn't do away with it, just showed there are sometimes more important things to attend to, than silly ritualistic practises.

From Paul, he never did away with the commandments; he stated the law of Moses was fulfilled/ended.

So the commandments still stand according to Christ, and are the way to gain eternal life, and needed to even enter heaven.

Yes the Mosaic law was fulfilled.Now it is the law of Christ.

 

[Nada]

Jesus and his disciples kept the Sabbath, it was man who changed it around the second century as Metis pointed out.

Yes Jesus and his disciples kept the Sabbath.They were Jews, and the Mosaic law did not end until Jesus fulfilled it.It is now the law of Christ.The nTen Commandments are still in effect under the new law covenant except for the Sabbath.Other laws also were done away with.Like circumcision and kosher laws

 

[Lyndon]

So who made this new law covenant, obviously not Jesus or his disciples!!

 

[mainliner]

Are the commandments like being told by adults to be good children and not be naughty ?

 

[Nada]

So who made this new law covenant, obviously not Jesus or his disciples!!

If you do not know who made the new covenant then how can you even speak on the matter?

 

[Nada]

Are the commandments like being told by adults to be good children and not be naughty ?

No.It is the same as the laws today.It is a warning.There are consequences.God is giving you His laws.You either follow or you don't.If you break a law in this world you might be put in prison or sometimes put to death.This is the law of the land.Same with God's laws.If you break them you are liable and must answer to God.