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Tennessee bans lots of Drag Shows and gender-affirming care for kids

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
It's funny how conservatives are willing to trample the first amendment to "protect kids" by banning drag shows and LGBT books.
But they won't touch the 2nd amendment to actually protect kids from their leading cause of death: Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF

It's also funny how they are adament gender is biological but are really concerned about kids questioning their gender because they are exposed to media and people as if gender is socially constructed.
 

SomeRandom

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Yes porn in one form or another has been around for a long time. We humans are sexual creatures and we can become horny easily at times and can easily turn to sex or many other desires to make us feel better. But there are bad side effects.
These days the young are being taught that what is evil is really good and that becomes the new norm and so society slides down hill morally over a few generations and each generation thinks it is more knowledgeable and wiser than the last generation.
I dunno. People have been saying that since the advent of words lol
My father grew up during the “roaring 20s” and was considered a degenerate to any civilised person. He didn’t even know how the internet worked

It’s been like 3 generations since the internet has been invented. I’m part of the last generation that remembers a time before the internet. My friends and family don’t seem to have an issue raising well behaved normal kids :shrug:
I believe the term is “supervision” and “child locks.”
Sure kids can manoeuvre the internet like pros. But so can we.
 
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It Aint Necessarily So

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if some professional says it may happen, I trust them.

Really?

I have no idea why everyone worships drag queens all of a sudden and why it's so important that kids be exposed to them.

Who worships drag queens or considers kids seeing them important? This is just another bigoted performative stunt by the Republicans. There is also no such thing as woke or antifa. The FBI whistleblowers are another of their myths and lies. Hunter Biden is irrelevant. They're a nest of liars and bigots. Believing them is at your own risk.

How is this different from some "Karen" forcing someone wearing a MAGA hat to take it off

Those hats are in support of a traitor who was an enemy of democracy, the US Constitution, and the rule of law. To me, they're the same as Confederate flags and swastikas, other anti-American symbols.

Welcome to the right wing nanny state

No thanks. I've seen it in other countries. It's angry, it's based in bigotry, and it's militant. And one more voting cycle by an incompetent electorate and they may have control of both houses of Congress and the White House again sometime soon. You may be cheering when that happens, but I'm pretty sure you won't like how it affects your life. The Republicans are your enemy, even if you have no respect for democracy, the Constitution, or the rule of law yourself and think that that is the way to go forward as the Republican party does. If so, you will discover that you were never included in their vision. You're capital for as long as you can be exploited in the workforce generating profit for somebody else, and after that, you're less than worthless, since you still consume without producing.

the left-wing nanny state.

By contrast, progressive government is based in tolerance, enabling people, and protecting citizens from exploitation and the environment from despoilation. Trump was able to roll back much of that. He was able to eliminate Obama's protections against pandemics just before one broke out, and he made East Palestine possible.

How Trump Gutted Obama’s Pandemic-Preparedness Systems | Vanity Fair
Oil Train Safety Rules Getting Rolled Back By Trump Administration - OPB
 

vulcanlogician

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Tennessee's Governor has signed a bill banning Drag Shows in many venues, and gender-affirming care for kids.

How can you ban drag shows within coherent legal terminology? What defines cross-gender dress in such an obvious way that the law can differentiate?

But in any case, I'm glad that men wearing sequins and lip syncing to Tina Turner songs in out-of-the-way bars has been addressed. I'm sure such activities have been a constant thorn in the side of people who are incapable of minding their own business. Finally, these busybodies are getting some relief.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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It's funny how conservatives are willing to trample the first amendment to "protect kids" by banning drag shows and LGBT books.
But they won't touch the 2nd amendment to actually protect kids from their leading cause of death: Child and Teen Firearm Mortality in the U.S. and Peer Countries | KFF
It's also kind of weird that these same people are quite comfortable over-sexualizing their daughters when entering them into child "beauty contests." Think JonBenét Ramsey.
 

syo

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Why politicians mess with people? Shouldn't they be doing stupid politicians things? :shrug:
 

SomeRandom

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Why politicians mess with people? Shouldn't they be doing stupid politicians things? :shrug:
Unfortunately stupid politicians do stupid things that interfere with everyone else. I wish that wasn’t the case but there it is.
 
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Evangelicalhumanist

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I wonder if being taught that genders are fluid will lead to kids wondering which sexual orientation they are and more experimentation in that area.
Well, we teach kids that talents are fluid, and that leads some with little to no musical talent to try music lessons, and the less sports-oriented to try out for positions they can't possibly qualify for. And in general, they survive learning their personal truth fairly well.
 

rational experiences

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Gender.

Two humans present.

One human owns a penis one a vagina.

Penis fits in vagina to have sex reproduction of two selves.

One body baby innocent is with mother for nine conscious months.

Both born now two new humans.

Proof heavens natural mutual support aware self changed.

So some men want to be women and vice versa.

Yet by populous more men want the woman's role as it's man who thought science as all changes of the heavens.

Men hence caused mind conscious heavens change of a humans ability to sexually self identify.

Science only conditions Interferes.

So parents who love children who'd care the same for any child. See young children identifying a struggle.

Therefore said let them choose clothing. No one should say boys clothes girls clothes reasoned as allowing a child to be innocent and just a child.

So schooling being intellectual pursuits realise I should not gender preach. Instead my job is to only teach intellectual pursuits.

As all children should be treated mutually equal. As the adult self knows sex does not belong with children.

Now sex education was introduced to stop unwanted pregnancies.

Therefore now adults say sex education should involve teaching humans gender aware partnerships have changed. So it only Involves protected sex. As disease is also about sexual intercourse.

Dancing as entertainment is about adult clubs. And clubs many types involve sexual explicit conditions is a totally different community topic.

About sexualising life for profit conditions. Which isn't just one community.
 

Brian2

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I dunno. People have been saying that since the advent of words lol
My father grew up during the “roaring 20s” and was considered a degenerate to any civilised person. He didn’t even know how the internet worked

It’s been like 3 generations since the internet has been invented. I’m part of the last generation that remembers a time before the internet. My friends and family don’t seem to have an issue raising well behaved normal kids :shrug:
I believe the term is “supervision” and “child locks.”
Sure kids can manoeuvre the internet like pros. But so can we.

Not all parents and kids are like your family and even in your family I would suggest that kids are more exposed to porn of all sorts than previous generations.
 

Brian2

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Well, we teach kids that talents are fluid, and that leads some with little to no musical talent to try music lessons, and the less sports-oriented to try out for positions they can't possibly qualify for. And in general, they survive learning their personal truth fairly well.

Yes we grow up and end up learning our limitations and how to label ourselves.
I'm not sure if we say that talents are fluid however. We cannot have a talent for music or sport just because we think we have.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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Yes we grow up and end up learning our limitations and how to label ourselves.
I'm not sure if we say that talents are fluid however. We cannot have a talent for music or sport just because we think we have.
That is what I meant. Some people have a talent for music or sport, others don't. The trick is to recognize what you are good at, and develop those skills to the best of your ability. Sure, you can try things for which you don't have a lot of talent, and you might enjoy it, but you'll never be a star performer. As long as you don't mind that, hey, that's great.

So same with gender identity. If you identify as female, but are otherwise "pricked out for women's pleasure" (as Shakespeare wrote in Sonnet 20), then you have to find a way to be who you are. And "who you are" is a thing of the mind, not the body.
 

wellwisher

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Even in the 1940s, audiences enjoyed men in drag. Like the film "Some Like it Hot", or in the 1950s, Bugs Bunny often was depicted in drag. In the 1970s, we had Klinger from the MASH TV show. Now all of the sudden Republicans are acting like the American Taliban. I could think of more examples of drag in film and TV, but this will have to do for now.
The difference between then and today, is back then everyone knew your favorite TV programs and movies were mostly make believe and not real. It was like a play on a stage. It may be funny, suspenseful, heart warming and entertaining. It allowed one to escape reality for a few hours, laugh and then back to work and reality. There was clean separation.

As an analogy, early Western movies had gun fights and barroom brawls. However, there was no blood and gore, even when the actors were shot or thrown through a window. Even a clueless audience of children, would assume this was acting and entertainment. Now the push for movies and TV is for special affects, attempting to turn acting and fantasy, into something that appears to be real and more than just entertainment.

Now many more things are less about entertainment, and more about some blend of entertainment and marketing; sports is infected. This infection can confuse young people. The TV show become more like a commercial and less like a TV show that is light and fun. There is too much selling bad fish, as fresh, as the Left turned Hollywood into Madison Avenue.

How many programs still allow one to make fun of delicate Lefty agenda, without Lefty censorship? Why is comedy, censored by the Left? What should be seen as entertainment, has detoured down the road of marketing. Balanced spoofing the issues of today would be fun entertainment, for the vast majority of the people. But it is not good for marketing purposes. It can neutralize a jingle. The new jingle works better, if you can avoid comedy and censor anything that counters the illusion.

I have no problem with any free expression within entertainment; we award prizes for good acting. I would first restore the full rights of all comedy and allow all people to poke fun at all Lefty and Righty marketing schemes, so we can undermine all marketing special effects in entertainment. What still stands, is world of entertainment and not the alternate reality of marketing.

The left has no problem censoring marketing for gas powered cars. This is helps sell Green products. Letting both appear on TV would better reflect reality; based on current reality. But it will not allow green monopolies via lopsided data, which now makes it easier to sell bad fish.

We cannot sell cigarettes and even show them in movies of TV; beyond retro, since even a modern cameo appearance by a smoker who looks legitimate, is felt to be marketing, and misleading to a captive audience. The Left knows what can happen but then tries to take advantage of this marketing cameo upside, while censoring other marketing doing the same.

Good for Tennessee! When social marketing moves back to fantasy and entertainment, and does not become a vehicle for social engineering scams for money and power, they may change it back. Maybe we can add some new laws that allow one to sue the programers and parent companies, if their intellectual marketing products causes harm to minors, like cigarettes for the soul. They have deep pockets and lawyers will be looking for ways to get it.

I like the very early pic of "drag racing", since this is funny and puts things into a fun entertainment perspective. It may not be good for marketing, which is why it is effective. If we laugh or cry together, barriers can come down.
 

SomeRandom

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Not all parents and kids are like your family and even in your family I would suggest that kids are more exposed to porn of all sorts than previous generations.
Perhaps they are. I would wager that they have a far better more thorough understanding of safe sex than many of our American brethren though.
Since we actually bother to discuss sexual health with the youth in my country
 
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