Tennessee bans lots of Drag Shows and gender-affirming care for kids

[Twilight Hue]

So you think teens experiencing puberty is evil? Do note that you as a Bible believer has to acknowledge that your God created humans the way it did. It was normal many centuries ago for teens to have sex and produce children. The life span was rather short. Now you are sayiong it is bad? If we are going to keep things the way they were then teens will get married and have offspring.

And teens will act on impulse and emotionally Many will resist the sexual urges but many don't. Educating kids on safe sex is the best way to avoid them being really, really stupid, expecially now that so many states are limitied abortion rights. I see nothing moral in the Christian extremist attitude to deny teens sex ed and expect them to be good little kids. They won't.

That's a good point. Particularly considering life expectancy in that era.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's a good point. Particularly considering life expectancy in that era.

It actually wasn't all that much shorter than today's. If you survived childhood you'd chances we're fair, assuming you weren't killed in an act of violence.
Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures. Psalm 90:10

 

[Brian2]

So you think teens experiencing puberty is evil? Do note that you as a Bible believer has to acknowledge that your God created humans the way it did. It was normal many centuries ago for teens to have sex and produce children. The life span was rather short. Now you are sayiong it is bad? If we are going to keep things the way they were then teens will get married and have offspring.

And teens will act on impulse and emotionally Many will resist the sexual urges but many don't. Educating kids on safe sex is the best way to avoid them being really, really stupid, expecially now that so many states are limitied abortion rights. I see nothing moral in the Christian extremist attitude to deny teens sex ed and expect them to be good little kids. They won't.

Aren't you just proving my point.

 

[Brian2]

I am talking about the fact there is absolutely nothing new about transgender people or people living as the sex they weren't born as. It's always happened, we've always done it, and only those with very poor and limited understandings of history can possibly think any of this is new.

Well yes of course that is true and I don't think it is new.
So I was not talking about that, I was talking about the new way society is going about responding to it, and the new way society (or some societies) are defining male and female. The old biological way was certainly much better imo and with varients on it.
Taking sexual fluidity theory seriously and allowing people to change their sexual identity on a whim and then change their mind is not a sensible approach, just as allowing those who have had sex change operations from male to female and then compete in sports against natural females is not sensible imo.

 

[PureX]

To be honest, this business of drag queens reading stories to children is a kind of indoctrination in that it is a deliberate attempt to teach children that such alternative lifestyles exist, and are acceptable. So it shouldn't be surprising that those who disagree with that premise would object to these events. Where it gets weird is when the debate leaves the control of the parents involved. As the decision should be theirs, alone, whether their kids will be exposed to such ideas or not. Everyone else is just butting in where they have no business.

 

[Kenny]

To be honest, this business of drag queens reading stories to children is a kind of indoctrination in that it is a deliberate attempt to teach children that such alternative lifestyles exist, and are acceptable. So it shouldn't be surprising that those who disagree with that premise would object to these events. Where it gets weird is when the debate leaves the control of the parents involved. As the decision should be theirs, alone, whether their kids will be exposed to such ideas or not. Everyone else is just butting in where they have no business.

That is a great dilemma. But then why should the government impose children to using seat belts in cars and child-restraining chairs?

But, it does validate the Christian viewpoint that rules and regulations doesn't change hearts.

 

[PureX]

That is a great dilemma. But then why should the government impose children to using seat belts in cars and child-restraining chairs?

To ensure an equal right to life, liberty, and opportunity. It's a government responsibility.

But, it does validate the Christian viewpoint that rules and regulations doesn't change hearts.

We're talking about small children, here. The parents have a right to determine what they are being exposed to in terms of information and life experiences. Once they reach school age, that becomes a broader social responsibility.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The expectation seems to be that teens will have sexual partners and so that is accepted and many parents don't seem concerned as long as nobody gets pregnant.
The pregnancy bit was always an issue no doubt but the expectations and moral teaching sexually seems to have slipped down from a couple of generations ago.

So wait, you think that parents and teachers are expecting and telling teenagers to have sex, and that's your example of something evil being taught as good?
Where is this happening and who is doing this?

If you're talking about teaching sex-ed then you've lost me. Because that isn't this.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I love kids in the hall. Even when I was a young adult.

They spent a lot of time dressed as women. Especially the guy who plays the Queen. Love him!

Did you see the new ones they released? It was sometime during the pandemic I think ... Not too bad.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well yes of course that is true and I don't think it is new.
So I was not talking about that, I was talking about the new way society is going about responding to it, and the new way society (or some societies) are defining male and female. The old biological way was certainly much better imo and with varients on it.

Sex and gender are different.

Taking sexual fluidity theory seriously and allowing people to change their sexual identity on a whim and then change their mind is not a sensible approach, just as allowing those who have had sex change operations from male to female and then compete in sports against natural females is not sensible imo.

Why do you think this is happening "on a whim?" Isn't that a tad demeaning and condescending?

 

[Kenny]

To ensure an equal right to life, liberty, and opportunity. It's a government responsibility.

We're talking about small children, here. The parents have a right to determine what they are being exposed to in terms of information and life experiences. Once they reach school age, that becomes a broader social responsibility.

True... true. But then we have the issue of what constitutes child abuse where the government still steps in

 

[SkepticThinker]

To be honest, this business of drag queens reading stories to children is a kind of indoctrination in that it is a deliberate attempt to teach children that such alternative lifestyles exist, and are acceptable. So it shouldn't be surprising that those who disagree with that premise would object to these events. Where it gets weird is when the debate leaves the control of the parents involved. As the decision should be theirs, alone, whether their kids will be exposed to such ideas or not. Everyone else is just butting in where they have no business.

Such alternate lifestyles do exist, and are acceptable. Do we want to teach kids about the real world, or are we going to shield them from things we may find uncomfortable so that they're not prepared to deal with the real world? Gay people exist. Drag queens exist. Bisexual people exist. Trans people exist. I don't understand why we're pretending that they don't "for the sake of the kids" or whatever. It doesn't actually help anyone to pretend that certain people don't exist.

 

[F1fan]

That is a great dilemma. But then why should the government impose children to using seat belts in cars and child-restraining chairs?

Because just because any person can get pregnant and give birth doesn't mean they are responsible to care for that child. The state will advocate for the child's rights, just as "pro-lifers" advocate for fetuses. You can't hqve it both ways. But it is a common understanding that "pro-lifers" don't care much about a child once it is born.

But, it does validate the Christian viewpoint that rules and regulations doesn't change hearts.

True, heartless Christians don't change just because they believe in Christian dogma.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

True... true. But then we have the issue of what constitutes child abuse where the government still steps in

It'd be nice if the people claiming child abuse actually listened to child psychologists which are overwhelmingly in favor of gender-affirming care. But they only listen to medical consensus when it suits their purity politics.

 

[PureX]

True... true. But then we have the issue of what constitutes child abuse where the government still steps in

Well, certainly in regards to the child's right to life; reasonable precautions would be expected and mandated for those parents that for whatever reason won't otherwise oblige.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The old biological way was certainly much better imo and with varients on it.

That doesn't take into account any variations. It's why Republicans sound so damn stupid and ignorant because they think it can simple be summed up as XX is female and XY is male but Nature itself has never held that position or conformed to that belief. It's an erroneous human assumption.

 

[Father Heathen]

The expectation seems to be that teens will have sexual partners and so that is accepted and many parents don't seem concerned as long as nobody gets pregnant.
The pregnancy bit was always an issue no doubt but the expectations and moral teaching sexually seems to have slipped down from a couple of generations ago.

How is sex, when done consensually and responsibly, "evil"? Because ancient goat herders arbitrarily decided it was?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

True... true. But then we have the issue of what constitutes child abuse where the government still steps in

Amd most definitely doctors, psychologists, the AMA, I'll just cut it short because there's many who hold this position, all say this is NOT child abuse. The only ones bringing it up are boneheaded, bigoted Republicans who absolutely refuse to learn anything the experts are actually doing and going by. They believe liars who couldn't have been there, boys who cried wolf, and stupid laymen who don't know anything about science. They just simply cannot bring in a panel from the AMA or APA to discuss it because they discuss facts amd evidence and research while Republicans and their fans gobble up bigotry from the lips of those who don't even know the brain shapes of trans people looks more like their identified sex than their birth sex. Instead they just dismiss like they do evolution.

 

[PureX]

Such alternate lifestyles do exist, and are acceptable. Do we want to teach kids about the real world, or are we going to shield them from things we may find uncomfortable so that they're not prepared to deal with the real world? Gay people exist. Drag queens exist. Bisexual people exist. Trans people exist. I don't understand why we're pretending that they don't "for the sake of the kids" or whatever. It doesn't actually help anyone to pretend that certain people don't exist.

These are LITTLE kids. The issue is not should they learn about these lifestyles. It's when, and how. And that is not for the drag queens or the church or some grandstanding governor to decide. I'm fine with the drag queens offering this experience. I think it's quite nice of them, in fact. But it should be understood that any parent that would not want their child to experience this would be respectfully free to forgo it. And as far as I know, that is the case.

It's all these unrelated entities want to make a big thing out of it that I find absurd and offensive.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It'd be nice if the people claiming child abuse actually listened to child psychologists which are overwhelmingly in favor of gender-affirming care. But they only listen to medical consensus when it suits their purity politics.

That's their stance in general when it comes to science. They say it's just a theory when it comes to evolution, but not a peep about those theories that make our modern society happen.