Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

[Lain]

What does "a body oriented toward active generation" mean?

And a woman can be literally anyone?

Not sure how I can more specifically define maleness than that, active generation or the proactive principle in reproduction. Suffice to say, it has almost (due to rare defects making some exceptions) entire overlap with persons who produce sperm and not eggs in any bifurcated animal species, but due to exceptions I do not define it that way.

And under those two definitions of woman, yes. Definition by identity makes gender a nickname to me, you can call anyone anything. Definition by social role is a stack of traits and activities to me determined by culture, where if you fulfill it then you are that (hence transitioning being a thing). Anyone can do the former at any moment in time, the latter also could conceivably be switched to very quickly.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Nope. I moved out of that crap hole state a few years ago. I got away from Bible thumping arselings who expect people to fit their mold of2 what is normal and appropriate. Here in California nobody cares unless you're being an *******. Which would be great if everyone was more like that, but some people prefer to beat others in the head with a Bible and calendar from the 1950s. That's very much Indiana. They told me to leave. I did.

Wow - I moved from California to Indiana to escape all the liberal crazies who followed you home for wearing a MAGA hat and threatened you and your family with violence and/or death.

Not to mention the soaring prices - the influx of illegals and homeless - children unable to go to school - mask-Nazis screaming at people - and all the heroin needles and human poop downtown.

I'd take people trying to share the Bible with me over that any day - and my life has vastly improved since we got here - everything is cheaper - our house is huge - the schools remained open and safe during COVID - everything is clean - no homeless guys living in the alley behind my house - and the seasons are beautiful.

I guess some people just want different things out of life.

And it's been almost a year so far - no one has tried to share the Bible with me yet - so - yay - literally no cons so far.

Anyways - you had led me to believe that you lived in Indiana with your talk about where you were licensed.

Had I known that you lived in California I would have agreed that you could have used the women's restroom - because it depends on the State - even if it defies all reason - like California wanting to keep Gavin Newsom.

So - point not proven.

Many professional armies do have women, even in combat positions.

I never claimed otherwise.

What I claimed was that men are better in the military and that women make armies weaker overall.

Of course - this is only in reference to the frontline.

Women can and should fill supporting roles.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Not sure how I can more specifically define maleness than that, active generation or the proactive principle in reproduction. Suffice to say, it has almost (due to rare defects making some exceptions) entire overlap with persons who produce sperm and not eggs in any bifurcated animal species, but due to exceptions I do not define it that way.

And under those two definitions of woman, yes. Definition by identity makes gender a nickname to me, you can call anyone anything. Definition by social role is a stack of traits and activities to me determined by culture, where if you fulfill it then you are that (hence transitioning being a thing). Anyone can do the former at any moment in time, the latter also could conceivably be switched to very quickly.

Wow - so just complete chaos and anarchy. Neat.

 

[metis]

This statement doesn't make sense to me.

No surprise. A law that is unenforceable makes the legal process a bit of a sad joke.

How am I "low-information"?

I didn't say you.

The concept of "gender" does not exist in biology.

As an anthropologist, you are dead wrong on that, especially because of cultural distinctions that usually does become part of societies' responses.

I'm sure if someone contacted authorities and pressed charges - it would be enforced then - depending on the law of your State.

But how would then know if the first place, which is why I keep posting who's gonna check their "equipment" since the outside characteristic is only part of the picture?

This should not be a difficult concept to understand, FP, thus all you are doing is beating a dead horse.

 

[metis]

With what we've seen with what Trump and his base tried to do since the election, why would anyone who truly loves democracy even think about wearing a MAGA hat??? If I was fascist oriented, I might consider wearing one, but I ain't.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyways - you had led me to believe that you lived in Indiana with your talk about where you were licensed.

I used to.

What I claimed was that men are better in the military and that women make armies weaker overall.

Without offering evidence.

Not to mention the soaring prices - the influx of illegals and homeless - children unable to go to school - mask-Nazis screaming at people - and all the heroin needles and human poop downtown.

My cost of living here isn't much higher than it was were I was in Indiana (and prices there have increased a lot since I left), but I make so much more money I come out on way ahead, to the point I floated above the poverty line here. Don't see many needles lying about, and no poop down town.
And "mask Nazis?" That tells us much about you.

the schools remained open and safe during COVID -

That is simply untrue because the school where my friend's kids go to school closed at least two or three times from covid cases soaring. Some faculty even died from it.

no homeless guys living in the alley behind my house

Indiana does indeed have homeless. It was exploding in Kokomo when I left and hasn't improved from what people tell me.

And it's been almost a year so far - no one has tried to share the Bible with me yet - so - yay - literally no cons so far.

Probably because you fit in with those uptight conservative wankers. It's no lie or exaggeration when I say they preached to me and told me to leave.
And, by the way, it wasn't illegal for me to use the women's restroom there either. Call the cops. They can't do **** about it except harass me, allowing me then to sue to crap out of them and you.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Without offering evidence.

It's common knowledge that - in general - biological males are bigger, stronger, faster and have more endurance than biological females.

Men and women are different and not equal in all things - men are better at some things and women are better at some things.

(Inner Monologue: I'm talking to people who believe that there are more than two biological sexes and that a male can become a female and vice versa - when common knowledge - based on biology - prove that there are only the two biological sexes and that males cannot become females and vice versa - so maybe "common knowledge" is not so common to those who reject facts. But what else can I offer? They ignore science that disagrees with their opinion, and they fling falsehoods and half-baked ideas around and claim that they are scientific facts - so nothing I say or show or prove really matters in this discussion. Just stick with the facts - maybe others will see it and be convinced not to subscribe to their erroneous conclusions.)

So - in conclusion - yes - there are women out there that can kick my *** - however - it is an undeniable fact that there are many more men out there who could do it too - and they could do it harder and faster.

My cost of living here isn't much higher than it was were I was in Indiana (and prices there have increased a lot since I left), but I make so much more money I come out on way ahead, to the point I floated above the poverty line here.

You do understand that cost of living has nothing to do with income - but rather with how much the things we need to maintain our standard of living actually cost?

Even if you were a billionaire - the cost of the things you would need to maintain your standard of living would be much more expensive in California than in Indiana.

Gas prices - for example - are a cost of living - AAA Gas Prices

The above link - updated today - claims that the average cost of a gallon of gasoline in California is $4.692 - while the average cost of gasoline in Indiana is only $3.227.

A difference of $1.465 per gallon - so depending on the size of our vehicles - I am saving anywhere from $17.58 (for 12-gallon tank) to $23.44 (for 16-gallon tank) per fill-up.

Then when you factor in how often you need to fill-up - I'll just use once a week as an example - that's a savings of anywhere from $914.16 - $1,218.88 a year - depending on the size of my gas tank.

Those who live in Indiana - on average - save somewhere in this ballpark estimate because cost of living is lower in Indiana when compared to California.

Cost of living in Indiana (US) compared to California (US) (mylifeelsewhere.com)

The above link - updated December 2021 - claims that California is 34% more expensive than Indiana.

Cost of living comparison by state | Insure.com

The above link - updated July 2021 - claimed that the Cost of Living in Indiana was 9.32% lower than the National Average - while California was 46.99% higher than the National Average at the time.

A difference of 56.31% at that time.

Average Cost of Living by State | Chart, List, & Tools (patriotsoftware.com)

The above link - updated April 2021 - claimed that the value of a dollar in Indiana was $1.12 while in California the value was only $0.87 at the time.

So - even though I am glad that you are doing well enough not to worry about the cost of living - that doesn't mean that the cost of living in California is comparable to Indiana.

Cost of living in California is "much higher" than the cost of living in Indiana - that is just a fact.

I know that many people in this thread don't pay attention to facts - because they often disprove their theories - but it's undeniable.

Don't see many needles lying about, and no poop down town.

Both my claim and yours are anecdotal - but California - especially San Francisco has been getting a lot of flak for having used needles and piles of human feces on the streets.

Why Are San Francisco's Streets Lined With Needles and Human Feces? (newsweek.com)

And "mask Nazis?" That tells us much about you.

It says that I saw many people yelling at other people for not wearing masks and demanding that they put one on - even to the point of threats of physical violence and refusing service?

There was an incident that happened where a couple was picnicking - eating outside and alone at a dog park - and a woman saw that they were not wearing masks.

After screaming at them and flipping them off - they refused to put on masks and told her to leave - so she peppersprayed them.

California woman uses self-defence spray on couple for not wearing masks at dog park (republicworld.com)

That lady was a "mask Nazi" - they exist - and all that tells you about me is that I am informed.

That is simply untrue because the school where my friend's kids go to school closed at least two or three times from covid cases soaring. Some faculty even died from it.

Not where I am living. My children's school never closed down. They quarantine certain children - or even an entire class - at times depending on COVID tests - but they never closed, and no one has died to my knowledge.

But let me get this straight - you claim that I need to "offer evidence" to support the biological fact (and common knowledge) that men - on average - are bigger, stronger, faster, and have more endurance than women - but you are not required to provide evidence of this school closing and people dying?

Either way - Indiana - like a lot of other fair-minded States - allow local areas to deal with their individual COVID problems.

The entire State does not need to close down all schools just because a couple areas are having issues.

Indiana does indeed have homeless. It was exploding in Kokomo when I left and hasn't improved from what people tell me.

Again - why do you feel no need to provide evidence of the claims that you keep making?

Also - I never claimed that Indiana did not have homeless people - I just claimed that there was no homeless guy living in the alley behind my house.

And - c'mon - we all know that there are way more homeless people in California - this is a fact.

Homeless Population by State 2021 (worldpopulationreview.com)

The above link - updated this year - claims that there are 151,278 homeless people living in California - making it the State with the highest amount of homeless people.

While it claims that Indiana has only 5,471.

California even has teams of people dedicated to cleaning up after all the homeless - and one of them - called the Downtown Streets Team - which cleans up in San Francisco, San Jose and Sacramento areas claim that since only July of this year they have cleaned up 806,080 gallons of trash and 7,949 used needles off the streets caused by the homeless.

Downtown Streets Team

Probably because you fit in with those uptight conservative wankers.

But that's the thing - I have no idea who is or who isn't a "conservative wanker" - and no one really knows what I believe either - because everyone minds their own ******* business and live their lives.

It's no lie or exaggeration when I say they preached to me and told me to leave.

From my experience here - that makes me wonder what you did to provoke people who honestly don't give a ****.

And, by the way, it wasn't illegal for me to use the women's restroom there either. Call the cops. They can't do **** about it except harass me, allowing me then to sue to crap out of them and you.

Aw - and you made me wonder why you got under their skin?

So - let me get this straight - on one hand you claim that we need to pass new policies to ensure that transgender people get to use the public restroom of their choice - yet on the other hand - you claim that it is already possible for people to use the public restroom of the opposite biological sex without repercussions?

What are you even arguing for at this point?

If all you do is stir up **** wherever you go - then I'm not surprised that people "preached" (which probably just means they told you to respect other people and laws) to you and told you to leave when you wouldn't comply.

From what I've seen - you belong in California - I'm glad for you - but please stay there and stop trying to spread all that leftist California crazy everywhere else.

 

[metis]

Indiana is OK to drive through.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Indiana is OK to drive through.

Yes - many coast liberals have this mentality - that everything in between California and New York is "fly over" or "drive through" country.

They fail to realize that it is the majority of the country.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You do understand that cost of living has nothing to do with income - but rather with how much the things we need to maintain our standard of living actually cost?

Yes. I have a far greater standard of living here than I did in Indiana. Compared to Indiana, here in California my money grows on trees.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Indiana is OK to drive through.

Yup. Prejudiced, bigoted, racist, amd way too uptight with their precious Bible.
And of course it's a sea of bars, lots of meth, tons of pills, floods of opiates, they illegally discriminate against those who don't fit in, tell them to leave, to the point they treat the least among them poorly. Which means they treat Jesus poorly. Especially with those sundown town mentalities that still exist.
It really is deserving of "****hole state." Wages are pathetically low too boot, and it hemorrhages college grades (about half in total, with engineers being top to leave with about 75% engineer grads evacuating the state).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But let me get this straight - you claim that I need to "offer evidence" to support the biological fact (and common knowledge) that men - on average - are bigger, stronger, faster, and have more endurance than women - but you are not required to provide evidence of this school closing and people dying?

No, I requested evidence that militaries suffer with women in them, even on the front lines.
It can't be done. I gave you an impossible task. Unity, training, strategy, those things matter in war far more than sex or gender.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If all you do is stir up **** wherever you go - then I'm not surprised that people "preached" (which probably just means they told you to respect other people and laws) to you and told you to leave when you wouldn't comply.

I didn't stir up ****. My appearance alone had people condemning me. My not being Christian or religious had them condemning me. They approach me to preach they are the ones who have started **** by approaching me and sharing their personal religious beliefs without invitation. To quote on ***** from there "you aren't mainstream for here so you need to leave." Or another "we're very Conservative here so you need to change your ways and appearance."
California is TONS better because they don't approach me. They wait for people to approach them. And they don't care my hair is long with dyed with streaks of unnatural colors and I have multiple piercings, and no one cares I don't go to church or have religion.
Oh yeah! I'm also sufficiently above the poverty line and enjoying a quality of life that was simply impossible for me to achieve in Indiana.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Yes. I have a far greater standard of living here than I did in Indiana.

That's great - I'm glad for you - but I hope you understand that "standard of living" is a personal thing that has nothing to do with "cost of living".

For example - if you and I both had the same standard of living - meaning that we both purchase the same exact goods and services every day - I would be spending 34% less money than you simply based on the facts that I lived in Indiana, and you lived in California.

So - even if I made 34% less money than you - we would both be enjoying the same standard of living - because of the differences in the cost of living between Indiana and California.

You having the opportunity to make more money in California rather than Indiana has no bearing on the cost of living in either State.

Does that make sense?

Compared to Indiana, here in California my money grows on trees.

Yes - your money - your success does not mean the cost of living is lower in California than Indiana.

And it's no wonder that you are doing so well in California - if you're still a behavioral therapist or what-not.

They need help.

Yup. Prejudiced, bigoted, racist, amd way too uptight with their precious Bible.

The same could be said of leftists in California - but replace Bible with "centralized government", "Fauci" or "abortion" - whatever their new god is.

The key difference is if you criticize any of the left's new gods - you get banned on social media or fired or whatever.

Yet everyone everywhere criticizes and makes fun of God and Christianity.

And of course it's a sea of bars, lots of meth, tons of pills, floods of opiates, they illegally discriminate against those who don't fit in, tell them to leave, to the point they treat the least among them poorly.

If you saw these things in Indiana - you were looking for them.

Not like in California - where you can't avoid them.

And there is nothing wrong with telling a man to leave the women's public restroom.

Which means they treat Jesus poorly. Especially with those sundown town mentalities that still exist.

So - when you make women uncomfortable in the women's public restroom - you are making Jesus uncomfortable too?

It really is deserving of "****hole state." Wages are pathetically low too boot, and it hemorrhages college grades (about half in total, with engineers being top to leave with about 75% engineer grads evacuating the state).

California was ranked 5th for amount of people moving out in 2020.

Indiana didn't make the top ten.

No, I requested evidence that militaries suffer with women in them, even on the front lines.

I never said "suffer" - I said "weaker".

If you have a unit of 100 men and another unit of 99 men and one woman - most likely - the unit with 100 men is going to be stronger.

It can't be done. I gave you an impossible task. Unity, training, strategy, those things matter in war far more than sex or gender.

In general - a woman cannot run as far and as fast as a man, and they cannot carry as much as a man.

Soldiers are often required to run distances quickly while carrying a lot of equipment - or even other soldiers.

They lowered the PT standards so women could be on the frontline - and that's wrong.

Because if push comes to shove and I'm wounded with only a female soldier to get me out - I'm probably not getting out - because she can't carry me out.

I didn't stir up ****.

Really? After your talk about using the women's restroom and causing a scene and suing people?

My appearance alone had people condemning me.

Who are "people" and what do you mean by "condemn"?

My not being Christian or religious had them condemning me.

Well - if what you like to do with women's restrooms is any indicator - I'm assuming that you ran around and yelled at people, "I'm not a Christian! I can do what I want! I'll sue you!"

They approach me to preach they are the ones who have started **** by approaching me and sharing their personal religious beliefs without invitation.

Someone engaging you in conversation is not starting ****.

To quote on ***** from there "you aren't mainstream for here so you need to leave."

Is this what they told you when you entered the women's restroom?

Or another "we're very Conservative here so you need to change your ways and appearance."

Again - was this what they said to you while you were in the women's restroom?

California is TONS better because they don't approach me. They wait for people to approach them.

Who is "they" and "them"?

And they don't care my hair is long with dyed with streaks of unnatural colors and I have multiple piercings, and no one cares I don't go to church or have religion.

I think they only care when you use your long-dyed hair as justification to use the women's restroom and maybe you were yelling at other people about their religion? You do that here.

Oh yeah! I'm also sufficiently above the poverty line and enjoying a quality of life that was simply impossible for me to achieve in Indiana.

That's great!

But Indiana not really needing behavioral therapists as much as California does - kinda says something - doesn't it?

 

[metis]

Yes - many coast liberals have this mentality - that everything in between California and New York is "fly over" or "drive through" country.

They fail to realize that it is the majority of the country.

Nice try, but I live in Michigan and always have.

BTW, Go Blue! [U of M and Iowa play tonight at 8 for the Big Ten championship]

 

[Lain]

Wow - so just complete chaos and anarchy. Neat.

Well if it's complete chaos and anarchy I don't think it'd be very neat, but indeed.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Nice try, but I live in Michigan and always have.

BTW, Go Blue! [U of M and Iowa play tonight at 8 for the Big Ten championship]

Never claimed that you lived on the coast - only that you share this mentality with coast liberals.

I'm not into football - but go your team!

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Well if it's complete chaos and anarchy I don't think it'd be very neat, but indeed.

No - it wouldn't be - but it's what people that argue for these types of ideologies are going to get eventually.

 

[Lain]

No - it wouldn't be - but it's what people that argue for these types of ideologies are going to get eventually.

The end of the definition by identity I learned was the abolition of gender, so that there would be as many as there were persons. So for anything that matters (such as fatherhood, being a husband, being a priest, and so on) I just specify that I mean sex and not gender so that no one gets a weird idea.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

The end of the definition by identity I learned was the abolition of gender, so that there would be as many as there were persons. So for anything that matters (such as fatherhood, being a husband, being a priest, and so on) I just specify that I mean sex and not gender so that no one gets a weird idea.

This ideology has already proven to be a slippery slope.

Transgender activists have been equating gender with biological sex since the inception of the current definition of "gender".

Any claim that there are more than two genders or biological sexes - that gender is disconnected from biological sex - or that anyone can change either - is what leads us to chaos and anarchy.