Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

[Fallen Prophet]

They had their biological reasons, however.

"Reasons" are not facts. Don't you know the difference?

Their reasons were wrong because there were no facts supporting them.

It is just like your many claims.

They even had reasons of biology that slavery is the proper and natural state for black people.

Claiming that biology supports your reasoning is not evidence of anything. They had no facts.

How can you not see that you are acting just like those who made these arguments about Africans and slavery?

People who get too obsessed over biology have a remarkable history of ending up on the wrong side of history.

No - people who use biology to make claims - without evidence - are those who are on the wrong side of history.

Gertie is not a rooster. She will never be a rooster. Your own source claimed that - but you were too busy looking for "reasons of biology" to realize you have no facts.

There are fundamental reasons why pedophilia won't be legalized.

People said the same thing about same-sex marriage.

Gay marriage hasn't, as predicted, led to legalized pedophilia.

I don't recall there being an expiration date on that prediction.

Give it time - it's progressing at a steady rate - it will happen in our lifetime.

Women working hasn't doomed us.

Agree to disagree.

Actually it does mention suicide rates decline, but a strong reason for the rates to continue is due to discrimination and bigotry.

Maybe you could quote where it said that?

I don't recall that being in there.

And again - I call BS on that assertion.

The point of the rest was to demonstrate that no where in nature is this black and white and ultimately dependent upon what an organism is born as.

What "black and white"?

That you are either a male or a female?

In all mammalian biology (which includes humans) there are only the two biological sexes and mammals cannot change their biological sex.

These are facts. Facts tend to be "black and white" - because they are facts.

Do you not know what facts are?

Female lions developing manes is a rather profound occurence considering they don't have testosterone pills or shots.

There have been bearded ladies for God knows how long.

Doesn't mean anyone changed their biological sex.

You've got nothing.

"It does not matter that we will never reach our ultimate goal. The effort yields its own rewards."
-Lt. Commander Data

Not only do fictional characters have no relevance here - but I know for a fact that if asked about mammalian biology Lt. Commander Data would inform you that they have only the two biological sexes and that they cannot change their biological sex.

This conversation was Data explaining to his daughter that both he and she would never be human.

It's one of my favorite episodes - btw - totally made me cry.

I'm glad you appreciate the rewards of your journey - but that message is hampered by the fact that you keep claiming that you can in fact reach your goal.

So - you need to accept that all you will get is the journey - and not the ultimate goal - and stop sharing sources in a lame attempt to "prove" that humans can change their biological sex.

Because they can't and you can't have it both ways.

You have to understand it's not an ideology.

An ideology is "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."

Sounds like an ideology to me.

We know who we are.

We have never once discussed the who - but the what.

Like Data - you have to accept certain realities.

But as for me where I'm at now is far better than where I was. Being viewed as female and acting female doesn't feel forced. It doesn't feel like my life is nothing more than an act on stage. It's not all roses and rainbows (and sexual harassment sucks), but I can assure you managing and figuring out life itself is more tiresome, exhausting, and often at times excruciating.

I'm glad you are doing better - but I am also pained.

I understand that you have this thing that you must deal with constantly. Something I cannot even begin to imagine.

However - I don't think you are doing yourself any favors by ignoring the facts of biology - making claims without evidence - and blaming others for the rough parts of your life choices.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Do you think there is a fundamental difference between men's and and women's toilets? That's not even a thing. A toilet's a toilet.

Aw - I love this - you literally don't know where you stand - and it's hilarious.

At first you say something like, "Transgender people need to use the restroom of the gender they identify as, or they will kill themselves or someone else will assault them in the restroom that matches their biology."

Then in the very next breath you say, "Do you think there is a fundamental difference between men's and and women's toilets? That's not even a thing. A toilet's a toilet."

I have asked you to clear this up multiple times throughout this thread and you keep ignoring it.

Why should she cater to your bigotry?

How is asking that everyone follow the same rules "bigotry"?

Why should she care about what you think?

You don't have to care about what other people think - but it's that mentality that is causing all these problems - and you cannot blame everyone else for you deciding not to care about what they think.

No, it just goes to show how absurdly ridiculous this silly bathroom nonsense is. People go in to do their business and leave.

Tell that to the men, women and children who have been raped and assaulted in public restrooms.

For some reason people like you obsess about it. It's kind of creepy. I'm certainly not interested in your bathroom usage.

I don't care if a man takes a **** - I only care if that man is allowed to be alone with my child or wife.

We need to mitigate risk without giving certain people special treatment.

Nope. I actually stated the opposite. I never said your posts are hate. I called them ignorant drivel that has no idea how clueless they really are.

You "stated the opposite" in Post #428 - but in Post #426 (the one I quoted) - you agreed that what I had said was "hate speech".

Yup. But don't conflate the two. I said your position is drowning in ignorance. That's not calling it hate.

You said both things. You said I was ignorant in one and a hater in another.

You have been all over the place in your arguments - so that's no surprise.

And it is rich for you to claim that I am ignorant after your Gertie debacle and all the other sources you refuse to quote from because they disprove the lies you are peddling.

Nope. Just poking holes in your wet paper bag of an arguement.

It's adorable that you think that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Aw - I love this - you literally don't know where you stand - and it's hilarious.

At first you say something like, "Transgender people need to use the restroom of the gender they identify as, or they will kill themselves or someone else will assault them in the restroom that matches their biology."

Then in the very next breath you say, "Do you think there is a fundamental difference between men's and and women's toilets? That's not even a thing. A toilet's a toilet."

I have asked you to clear this up multiple times throughout this thread and you keep ignoring it.

How is asking that everyone follow the same rules "bigotry"?

You don't have to care about what other people think - but it's that mentality that is causing all these problems - and you cannot blame everyone else for you deciding not to care about what they think.

Tell that to the men, women and children who have been raped and assaulted in public restrooms.

I don't care if a man takes a **** - I only care if that man is allowed to be alone with my child or wife.

We need to mitigate risk without giving certain people special treatment.

You "stated the opposite" in Post #428 - but in Post #426 (the one I quoted) - you agreed that what I had said was "hate speech".

You said both things. You said I was ignorant in one and a hater in another.

You have been all over the place in your arguments - so that's no surprise.

And it is rich for you to claim that I am ignorant after your Gertie debacle and all the other sources you refuse to quote from because they disprove the lies you are peddling.

It's adorable that you think that.

You could work on your reading comprehension. I didn't call your posts hate speech.
History, biology, anthropology, English, common courtesy, are there are any other disciplines and areas you wish to boldly proclaim your weaknesses and ignorances in?

 

[Kooky]

Transsexuals have been transitioning with hormones and surgery for a century now. The vast majority just got on with their lives as the men or women they felt themselves to be. The last thing they wanted was to draw attention to themselves over it. I'm more like them and can't relate to this activism crap. I just want to be left alone to make my own medical decisions about my own body.

What, exactly, do you believe is the goal of transgender activism?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

You could work on your reading comprehension. I didn't call your posts hate speech.
History, biology, anthropology, English, common courtesy, are there are any other disciplines and areas you wish to boldly proclaim your weaknesses and ignorances in?

Ad hominem - the Hail Mary of the desperate who have run out of things to say.

I told you where you agreed with Jose Fly that my comments were "hate speech" (Post #426).

If you did not mean it then - edit the post - or simply apologize.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

What, exactly, do you believe is the goal of transgender activism?

The usurpation of feelings over facts.

It is a goal that doesn't take into account the long-term ramifications.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ad hominem - the Hail Mary of the desperate who have run out of things to say.

I told you where you agreed with Jose Fly that my comments were "hate speech" (Post #426).

If you did not mean it then - edit the post - or simply apologize.

No edits or apologies. I called your arguments dumb. That's not a synonym for hateful. You can "tell me" I agreed all you want. It didn't happen.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Is the question necessary? How many views has he espoused that literally are not even primitive or Stone Age because they are so off base with reality?

Touche!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well I certainly would not want a man in my restroom if I were a woman.
Why would I assume he was only there for the facilities?
The world is full of perverts.

Why wouldn't you assume that?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Correct - people changing their hairstyle, getting hormone treatment or full transitioning doesn't change or "switch" their "gender".

They believe they are changing their body to better match how they fell inside.

You don't know what you are talking about.

What is it that you think gender is, exactly?

 

[SkepticThinker]

"Reasons" are not facts. Don't you know the difference?

Their reasons were wrong because there were no facts supporting them.

It is just like your many claims.

Claiming that biology supports your reasoning is not evidence of anything. They had no facts.

How can you not see that you are acting just like those who made these arguments about Africans and slavery?

No - people who use biology to make claims - without evidence - are those who are on the wrong side of history.

Gertie is not a rooster. She will never be a rooster. Your own source claimed that - but you were too busy looking for "reasons of biology" to realize you have no facts.

People said the same thing about same-sex marriage.

I don't recall there being an expiration date on that prediction.

Give it time - it's progressing at a steady rate - it will happen in our lifetime.

Agree to disagree.

Maybe you could quote where it said that?

I don't recall that being in there.

And again - I call BS on that assertion.

What "black and white"?

That you are either a male or a female?

In all mammalian biology (which includes humans) there are only the two biological sexes and mammals cannot change their biological sex.

These are facts. Facts tend to be "black and white" - because they are facts.

Do you not know what facts are?

There have been bearded ladies for God knows how long.

Doesn't mean anyone changed their biological sex.

You've got nothing.

Not only do fictional characters have no relevance here - but I know for a fact that if asked about mammalian biology Lt. Commander Data would inform you that they have only the two biological sexes and that they cannot change their biological sex.

This conversation was Data explaining to his daughter that both he and she would never be human.

It's one of my favorite episodes - btw - totally made me cry.

I'm glad you appreciate the rewards of your journey - but that message is hampered by the fact that you keep claiming that you can in fact reach your goal.

So - you need to accept that all you will get is the journey - and not the ultimate goal - and stop sharing sources in a lame attempt to "prove" that humans can change their biological sex.

Because they can't and you can't have it both ways.

An ideology is "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."

Sounds like an ideology to me.

We have never once discussed the who - but the what.

Like Data - you have to accept certain realities.

I'm glad you are doing better - but I am also pained.

I understand that you have this thing that you must deal with constantly. Something I cannot even begin to imagine.

However - I don't think you are doing yourself any favors by ignoring the facts of biology - making claims without evidence - and blaming others for the rough parts of your life choices.

So you seriously believe that gay marriage has paved the way for pedophilia? Like, for real?
How'd you make that bizarre connection?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because he isn't he, she is known as she, presenting as she, and on hormones can't sexually perform as a he. Why is she there just to use the facilities? That's what 99.99999% of people who go in there use them for.
And what about women who are born as women but are lesbian? Surely the same concerns apply. Except it doesn't and it turns out homosexuals don't become pervy nymphos on the bathroom or locker room.
Try thinking this stuff through next time.

I didn't say anything about homos. I said men. You know, straight men who are willing to dress as women to get their kicks.
And a man doesn't have to be on any hormones to claim to be female.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because the world is full of perverts. Pay attention.

Why wouldn't you assume that?

 

[metis]

Never claimed that you lived on the coast - only that you share this mentality with coast liberals.

If one uses stereotyping.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I didn't say anything about homos. I said men. You know, straight men who are willing to dress as women to get their kicks.
And a man doesn't have to be on any hormones to claim to be female.

What does any of this have to do with trans people?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

You mean, "Why is [he] there just to use the facilities?"

And how do you decide if the person with what you believe should be the owner of the correct pronoun is in the right place?

I realize that this has been brought up so many times it's becoming ridiculous, but the only possible solution to your problem of matching genetalia and genetics to the bathroom being used is that we check people's genetalia and genetics before they can enter.

Maybe we should require medical cards stating these things and hire bathroom bouncers.

Or, to further prevent the possibility of bathroom card fraud, implant chips to be scanned at birth.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What does any of this have to do with trans people?

If you can not see it, why bother explaining?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

If you can not see it, why bother explaining?

Because other people will explain it for you.

What does any of this have to do with trans people?

Some people are still living under the antiquated and incorrect mindset that homosexuality and transgenderism are the same thing and fall under the umbrella of perversion.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Because other people will explain it for you.



Some people are still living under the antiquated and incorrect mindset that homosexuality and transgenderism are the same thing and fall under the umbrella of perversion.

Of course they are perversions.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Of course they are perversions.

Only from a religious perspective in which they pervert the order of God. Outside of that, humans as animals behave in ways that can't be considered a perversion based on their biological inclinations.