Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

[SkepticThinker]

US Laws Have Legalized Pedophilia With Children As Young as 10 Yrs Old And No One is Stopping It (thefreethoughtproject.com)

Legalizing Sexual Child Abuse: Pedophilia Now Classified As A Sexual Orientation - Truth And Action

Get Ready: People Are Trying to Normalize Pedophilia | theTrumpet.com

Democrats' Equality Act opens the door to legalized pedophilia. Here's how - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

Still don't know what you're talking about and don't see the connection. Can you articulate it into words please or quote some part of these articles you think is pertinent to your claim that gay marriage has “paved the way for pedophilia?”

 

[SkepticThinker]

Aren't you the one claiming that public restrooms cannot be segregated by our biology because there is no way to enforce it?

Try answering my questions.
Thanks.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Then why do I not gravitate towards guy things? If it's deeply connected to biological sex, then why last Thanksgiving I spent with my best friend and her family was I with the women swapping recipes and talking about our relationships instead of with the guys talking about hunting and sports? If it's deeply connected why did I often get asked if I'm gay before I started coming out to people as trans?

You are judging masculinity and femininity through the lens of society - which is not always so clear.

For example - I see nothing unmasculine about talking about cooking and relationships - I would find that infinitely more interesting and a worthy use of my time than talking about sports.

Cooking is a universally useful skill and everyone on the planet is involved in some kind of relationship with someone.

While sports are - in my opinion - a complete waste of time.

However - knowing how to hunt is also a useful skill - so everyone - men and women - should "gravitate" toward that.

Having an interest in cooking and talking about relationships may be considered feminine traits or qualities according to society - but not evolutionary biology.

Even though you have already told me that you are male - I would have already assumed this based on how you respond on this site.

Men and women are different.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Great, thanks.

Gender traits have been traditionally connected to biological sex for rather arbitrary and prejudicial reasons. This has been changing for quite a long time now, thankfully.

You are thinking of societal expectations of gender - not evolutionary biology.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even though you have already told me that you are male

More putting words in my mouth.
And pathetic goal moving, because, well, it turns out gendered norms and behaviors aren't deeply rooted in biology and really don't make much sense from an evolutionary perspective.
But what we have for our culture says baking and talking relationships is girly while hunting and sports is manly.
The mob would probably love you. They wouldn't have to tell you or threaten you to dig your own grave. You just dig the hole and keep digging it deeper all on your own.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You are thinking of societal expectations of gender - not evolutionary biology.

That's what gender is. As we have both agreed upon. Gender is a social construct.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's what gender is. As we have both agreed upon. Gender is a social construct.

One that apparently doesn't really allow for much variation if gendered norms and behaviors are deeply rooted in biology.
But that's why we have Mr. Rogers as a male role model who was very manly while not displaying the more conventional societal norms of agression, hyper sexualized, and being bad with kids. Most dads could learn a lot from him on what it means to be a man without being a toolish douche.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Still don't know what you're talking about and don't see the connection.

Because you didn't open the links?

Can you articulate it into words please or quote some part of these articles you think is pertinent to your claim that gay marriage has “paved the way for pedophilia?”

First off - you were the one who used the words "paved the way for pedophilia" - not me.

You are laundering your own words and trying to claim that they are mine. Sorta disingenuous.

And all I initially said was that there was no expiration date on the claim that the legalization of same-sex marriage will lead to the legalization of pedophilia.

And - that the fight to make pedophilia is already progressing at a steady rate and should happen within our lifetime.

I didn't make any claim to "causation".

I understand your pain at being given links - when @Shadow Wolf sent me a link to a 120-page guidebook (which didn't prove the claim that he was making) - I was irritated.

However - I looked through the relevant parts and confronted him with what I found.

They are far from 120 pages - so it shouldn't be too hard. Good luck!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I understand your pain at being given links - when @Shadow Wolf sent me a link to a 120-page guidebook (which didn't prove the claim that he was making) - I was irritated.

Always glad to serve.
And just because I feel like going there, aka being a *****, science in general is something else you swim in an ocean of ignorance as math is the only way to prove something. Outside of mathematical theorems nothing is proven. That's just a fact.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Oh! - I wasn't trying to do the whole "correct pronoun" thing - I was making a point about how implementing these types of policies would allow any man - not just a transgender individual - to enter and use the women's restroom.

If you read my comment in it's entirety - you'd see that -

"You mean, "Why is [he] there just to use the facilities?"

Let's not forget - that these policies that people are proposing don't require anyone to "present" as the opposite biological sex.

Literally any man or woman - who present as such - could use the restroom of the opposite biology - simply because they claim to be "atypical"."

So you are okay with transgender folks using the bathroom they (in your words) "present" as?

Let me ask you a question - for the sake of my example let's assume that you are a biological female - now what if you were using a public restroom and another biological female came in and just beat the **** out of you and then left.

Obviously assault and battery are against the law - but after this incident you are left with -

- no DNA to prove who your attacker was,

- no ID was left at the scene to prove who your attacker was,

- no witnesses of the assault and battery or of the suspect as they fled (bouncer or otherwise),

- and the suspect has no implant or any other way to find them

Now - my first question is - even though you have none of these things - was a crime committed?

Second question - would you contact law enforcement after being assaulted and battered?

Third question - do you believe law enforcement should even try to find your attacker?

Last question - are assault and battery enforceable crimes even if there is no evidence of the crimes occurring?

1. Yes
2. Yes.
3. Yes
4. Too complex to answer. Not every incident will conform to the standards you put forth.

I am curious on where this analogy is heading...

 

[Guitar's Cry]

US Laws Have Legalized Pedophilia With Children As Young as 10 Yrs Old And No One is Stopping It (thefreethoughtproject.com)

Legalizing Sexual Child Abuse: Pedophilia Now Classified As A Sexual Orientation - Truth And Action

Get Ready: People Are Trying to Normalize Pedophilia | theTrumpet.com

Democrats' Equality Act opens the door to legalized pedophilia. Here's how - LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

That's the problem with slippery slope arguments: it's an entirely different claim that consenting adults should be free to express themselves either sexually or socially as whatever gender they feel works from the claim that adults should be free to engage sexually with children.

These are not the same argument.

Claiming one leads to the other is fallacious.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you are okay with transgender folks using the bathroom they (in your words) "present" as?

He's made it clear he's not.

I understand your pain at being given links - when @Shadow Wolf sent me a link to a 120-page guidebook (which didn't prove the claim that he was making) - I was irritated.

However - I looked through the relevant parts and confronted him with what I found.

BTW, misgendering people is for rude arselings. As are the wild assumptions you gave earlier.
Dunning Kruger on overdrive and poor, uncivilized manners. Surely you can do better?

 

[metis]

This is rich coming from the person that claimed that "Indiana is OK to drive through." (Post #408)

Clearly, you can't recognize joking when you see it. Yours, otoh, was clearly done with seriousness.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Try answering my questions.
Thanks.

I'd rather you think about the flaws in your own arguments.

Thanks.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

More putting words in my mouth.

I don't think so. You keep talking about how you should be allowed to use the women's public restroom and how you are "gender nonconforming" for not being into "guy things".

And pathetic goal moving, because, well, it turns out gendered norms and behaviors aren't deeply rooted in biology and really don't make much sense from an evolutionary perspective.

You are referencing societal norms and behaviors - not biological ones.

But what we have for our culture says baking and talking relationships is girly while hunting and sports is manly.

Yes - culture - not biology.

All you are talking about are cultural and societal norms and behaviors - not biological ones.

Everything you are saying is irrelevant.

The mob would probably love you. They wouldn't have to tell you or threaten you to dig your own grave. You just dig the hole and keep digging it deeper all on your own.

Are you a member of this "mob"?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

That's what gender is. As we have both agreed upon. Gender is a social construct.

No - that is what is being taught - I believe that it is a reference to masculine and feminine traits and attributes.

For example - the desire that most men have to protect and provide for their families is a gender trait that predates society.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Clearly, you can't recognize joking when you see it. Yours, otoh, was clearly done with seriousness.

You can't make jokes in 2021 - and since it wasn't funny - I don't see how it could be considered a joke.

And - btw - most jokes are based on stereotypes.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Always glad to serve.
And just because I feel like going there, aka being a *****, science in general is something else you swim in an ocean of ignorance as math is the only way to prove something. Outside of mathematical theorems nothing is proven. That's just a fact.

Did you use mathematical theorems to "prove" that fact?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

So you are okay with transgender folks using the bathroom they (in your words) "present" as?

First off - the word "present" was used by Shadow Wolf in Post #454,

"Because he isn't he, she is known as she, presenting as she, and on hormones can't sexually perform as a he."

He made the claim that a man who is "presenting" as a woman and is unable to "sexually perform" because he is undergoing hormone replacement therapy should be considered a woman - therefore - he should be able to use the women's public restroom.

It makes no sense to me, and I don't believe impotence makes a man any less a biological male.

That was why I used the word "present" in quotations when I responded to that post - because I was referencing his use of the word.

And to answer your question - No - I am not okay with men using the women's public restroom and vice versa because public restroom use is segregated by our biology - not how we "present" or what hormones we are injecting or whether or not we can perform sexually.

Biological sex and gender are not the same thing. it is impossible for any of us to change our biological sex.

I am curious on where this analogy is heading...

People have been arguing that making it illegal for men to use the women's public restroom makes no sense because it is "unenforceable".

They claim that we would need "bouncers" checking everyone's genitalia or DNA at the door to the restrooms in order to enforce such a law.

I believe that that is ridiculous and displays an ignorance of how law enforcement works.

Law tends to only be enforced when someone presses charges - either an individual or governing body.

For example - a speeding ticket can be issued by a law enforcement officer - because they represent the governing body.

However - every single speeding ticket can be contested in a court of law - where the testimony of the officer can be scrutinized.

We don't have "speed guns" set up everywhere - so does this mean that going over the speed limit is "unenforceable"?

The same applies to what happens in our public restrooms.

Assault and battery are illegal - and a man using a women's restroom is also illegal in most States.

Just because there are no witnesses to the crime - or "bouncers" or DNA checks or whatever - that doesn't mean a crime was not committed and that it is not enforceable.

If a woman in the majority of States sees a man enter the restroom with her - she has the right to tell him to leave - if he doesn't - she can contact authorities and press charges on him.

And various other charges can be applied depending on what the man does or doesn't do.

We don't need "bouncers" or DNA checks at the doors to our public restrooms.

It is all enforceable - it just depends on what the people involved decide to do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because you didn't open the links?

Because you didn't explain yourself.

First off - you were the one who used the words "paved the way for pedophilia" - not me.
You are laundering your own words and trying to claim that they are mine. Sorta disingenuous.

Oh, so that's not your argument? What's your argument then?
What's with the links then?

And all I initially said was that there was no expiration date on the claim that the legalization of same-sex marriage will lead to the legalization of pedophilia.

So you want to play semantic games, or have a discussion?

And - that the fight to make pedophilia is already progressing at a steady rate and should happen within our lifetime.
I didn't make any claim to "causation".

Okay, so you're claiming that you didn't claim causation. Why link the two together then? How are they related?

I understand your pain at being given links - when @Shadow Wolf sent me a link to a 120-page guidebook (which didn't prove the claim that he was making) - I was irritated.

However - I looked through the relevant parts and confronted him with what I found.

They are far from 120 pages - so it shouldn't be too hard. Good luck!

I'm supposed to pour through your links to figure out what argument you're trying to make? No thanks.
How about you just state what your argument is and do away with this cryptic stuff?