Terrorism= Fear or Anger?

[love]

What is the purpose of terrorism? Is it to promote fear or anger? Is it's purpose to cause people to have sympathies for a cause? Do the perpetrators seek retaliation? Is it to rob the world of the smallest freedoms considered a victory?
My questions could go on and on but the answers seem beyond my reach, even if I should reluctantly consider Islam as a religion of peace.

 

[jamaesi]

It's political and mostly secular action usually taken against a democracy (because it works well against that form of government or a group with that dynamic) and mostly territorial in nature (as in getting the opposing group to withdrawal from an area the terrorist group sees as theirs).

And terrorism has no place in Islam. Most terrorist and terrorist groups either have secular or political goals, not religious goals. The largest terrorist group is actually composed of Hindu members.

And AGAIN, terrorism has NO PLACE in Islam.

 

[love]

What is wrong with democracy? The world is so varied and getting smaller everyday and not all of us desire to be controlled in a manner that Sharia law would impose.
Fatwas of the Ayatollah Khomeini:
Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.

Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.

 

[frg001]

"Terrorism has no place in Islam"
I agree

Seems a whole bunch of terrorists don't though.

 

[love]

Fatwas Khomeini II:
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
What's this talk about principles? This man by way of his clerical position can make law?

More:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.

However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister."

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

To answer the simplest question up there, I think from a Islamic extremist's POV, terrorism is to promote fear among the enemy (that's us). However, it doesn't seem to have that effect as much, since as far as I can tell, terrorism only makes people angry. Perhaps a bit fearful, but mostly angry.

Oh yes, and I agree with you about Islam. IMO, it can hardly be called a religion of peace. Not trying to attack anyone's religion, or be close-minded. Just my opinion, based on verses from the Koran, and of course, recent events.

 

[UnityNow101]

Islam is the ultimate religion of peace but has been tainted by the circumstances of todays world. The people in the Middle East have every right to be angry at the West and the US, but in no way should resort to violence and then do it in the name of God. Violence happens, whether it is us or them. Only difference is that they use their religion as their motive and reasoning for the violence, whereas we use violence with democracy and "freedom" as our reasoning. Either way, it is unwarranted actions in the name of something that we all believe in.

 

[Ori]

Islams popularity has led to it being hijacked. The same thing happens with most religions, or popular ideals a society chooses to live by.

The problem is not with religion, or anything else outside of ourselves, it is inside.

 

[Ciscokid]

Fatwas Khomeini II:
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
What's this talk about principles? This man by way of his clerical position can make law?

More:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister."

Nice. I'm afraid to ask where this comes from.

 

[Ciscokid]

Nice

http://www.vidilife.com/video_play_967651_Bestiality_in_Islam.htm

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Islam is the ultimate religion of peace but has been tainted by the circumstances of todays world. The people in the Middle East have every right to be angry at the West and the US, but in no way should resort to violence and then do it in the name of God. Violence happens, whether it is us or them. Only difference is that they use their religion as their motive and reasoning for the violence, whereas we use violence with democracy and "freedom" as our reasoning. Either way, it is unwarranted actions in the name of something that we all believe in.

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]22:39 PERMISSION [to fight] is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged Asad(22,57) and, verily, God has indeed the power to succour them [/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]those who have been driven from their homelands against all right for no other reason than their saying. “Our Sustainer is God!” For, if God had not enabled people to defend themselves against one another, all] monasteries and churches and synagogues and mosques - in [all of] which Gods name is abundantly extolled - would surely have been destroyed [ere now]. And God will most certainly succour him who suc*cours His cause: for, verily, God is most powerful, almighty,
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]8:39 And fight against them until there is no more oppression and all worship is devoted to God alone. And if they desist-behold, God sees all that they do;


[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]47:4 NOW WHEN you meet [in war] those who are bent on denying the truth, smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted: thus [shall it be]. And [know that] had God so willed, He could indeed punish them [Himself]; but [He wills you to struggle] so as to test you [all] by means of one another. And as for those who are slain in God’s cause, never will He let their deeds go to waste:

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]9:5 And so, when the sacred months are over , slay those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God wherever you may come upon them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every conceivable place ! Yet if they repent, and take to prayer, and render the purifying dues, let them go their way: for, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]9:29 [And] fight against those who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].

Hmmm...ultimate religion of peace, huh? That doesn't seem to add up.
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Arial]
[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Arial]
[/FONT]

 

[capslockf9]

Islams popularity has led to it being hijacked. The same thing happens with most religions, or popular ideals a society chooses to live by.

The problem is not with religion, or anything else outside of ourselves, it is inside.

• American democracy has been hy-jacked; via something called "lobby money". Of course it can be read "bribery". Lobby money buys political favors. Us regular folks do not have lobby power but large multi-national corporation do. Their interests induce human rights violations by dictator/ puppets, plunder of resources, coups, etc., etc.
• Intelligent folks know this. Narrow-minded turn a blind eye and are just plain evil doers. Naive are lead around like sheep.

 

[jamaesi]

What is wrong with democracy? The world is so varied and getting smaller everyday and not all of us desire to be controlled in a manner that Sharia law would impose.
Fatwas of the Ayatollah Khomeini:
Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.

Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.

I never said there was anything wrong with democracies, I just said that terrorism works well against democracies than other forms of government. There's a dynamic in the costs (lives, support, etc) each side will take and give and democratic systems are mostly willing to give less and will be more effected by the loss of their peoples (look at Iraq and the growing lack of support for Bush) than something like a dictatorship would (because the people who are being affected don't really have a say in their government and have no real means of directly affecting their government).

Again, about every terrorist group has a clearly defined political and/or secular motive. I really can't think of any large terrorist group that bombs people just to convert them to some religion.

It's like saying coffee goes well with cake. I've nothing against say, potatoes, but coffee and potatoes just doesn't strike my fancy, it doesn't make me dislike either.

Christians also have a lot of religious "authourities" that say nasty things but have nothing to do with Christianity. Shall I quote them now, too?


And Raz, I think you need to look at all of those quotes IN CONTEXT and with a few translations... If you have any questions about those verses then please post them in the Islam DIR and I and other Muslims will be more than happy to clear them up. I'm not going to sidetrack this thread with anymore anti-Islam verse-slinging.

I will say this, again, that terrorism has NO PLACE in Islam, suicide terrorism has no place in Islam, and Islam only allows fighting in self-defense with a heck of a lot of restraints put upon the Muslims.

 

[TashaN]

Fatwas Khomeini II:
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
What's this talk about principles? This man by way of his clerical position can make law?

More:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister."

That's so discusting and i felt as i want to throw up when i read it. These teaching by this Mulla if the information you have presented were accurate are definitely false. I heard alot of the Shia beliefs, and i didn't hear that they went so far like this.

Anyway, you have to know that the Shia beliefs are different than the majority "sunnis". Shia are between 7.5% to 11%. All the rest (93.5%) are Sunnis.

Whenever a muslim say something, try to look at the evidence from the Quran or the Sunnah, and if there was no such thing and couldn't back up their fatwa, then reject it right away without hesitation because its false.

 

[doppelganger]

What is the purpose of terrorism? Is it to promote fear or anger? Is it's purpose to cause people to have sympathies for a cause? Do the perpetrators seek retaliation? Is it to rob the world of the smallest freedoms considered a victory?
My questions could go on and on but the answers seem beyond my reach, even if I should reluctantly consider Islam as a religion of peace.

It is all of those things depending on the "terrorists" and the methods they use. It is to goad people into being scared and angry so they'll do things they shouldn't like undermining their own freedoms, starting unjust wars, torturing and murdering people and otherwise creating confusion and corruption in free societies. The result is that it brings attention to the cause, undermines the "moral" authority of their enemies and converts moderate and reasonable people in their own culture to their extremist cause.

The only surefire way to limit terrorism is to not react with fear and anger, to abide by the principles of a free state, respecting fully the dignity of all people and the rule of law, and thereby showing the world that ours is indeed the better way.

 

[TashaN]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Hmmm...ultimate religion of peace, huh? That doesn't seem to add up.
[/FONT]

Try putting them in context.

I hope this will help you to understand.

Slay them wherever ye find them "killing the infidel"
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36419

 

[love]

The U.S. was not invited when Saddam had his little party with Iran. What was that, about a million lives? Kuwait and Saudi Arabia invited us for the next little party. Seems they had an uninvited guess. We sent him back home and told him to behave. About this time Osama decided it was an insult to Allah that the infidel had desecrated the Holy Land. He pulls off several bloody, insulting attacks. Some are dancing in the streets but mostly everyone is ****** off. G W. gets all pumped up and decides to attack Iraq along with Afghanistan. Finish what daddy didn't. This created a vacuum. If the U.S. is waiting for everybody over there to settle down they need to rethink it and pull out. The strong will prevail. There cannot be a democratic government in Islam. They do not understand the concept. Iran and Pakistan are the prevailing force and need to figure out how Iraq will be governed. I pray God will be with the innocent. I pray they achieve the peace they seek through Islam. Clean up your backyard. The whole world is not ready for Islam and will never be.

 

[Smoke]

What is the purpose of terrorism? Is it to promote fear or anger? Is it's purpose to cause people to have sympathies for a cause? Do the perpetrators seek retaliation? Is it to rob the world of the smallest freedoms considered a victory?

Reza Aslan argues pretty convincingly that the real struggle al-Qaeda is concerned with is the struggle within Islam between the radicals and the moderates. In his opinion, terrorism against the West is intended to provoke retaliation, which in turn will stir up animosity against the West, force Muslims to choose sides, and make it more likely that they will side with the radicals over the moderates.

 

[Quiddity]

Reza Aslan argues pretty convincingly that the real struggle al-Qaeda is concerned with is the struggle within Islam between the radicals and the moderates. In his opinion, terrorism against the West is intended to provoke retaliation, which in turn will stir up animosity against the West, force Muslims to choose sides, and make it more likely that they will side with the radicals over the moderates.

What's the difference between a moderate and a radical? I honestly can't tell outside of those actually strapping bombs to themselves. Maybe this isn't the right thread for that, but it's important that people know this difference don't you think?

 

[greatcalgarian]

Reza Aslan argues pretty convincingly that the real struggle al-Qaeda is concerned with is the struggle within Islam between the radicals and the moderates. In his opinion, terrorism against the West is intended to provoke retaliation, which in turn will stir up animosity against the West, force Muslims to choose sides, and make it more likely that they will side with the radicals over the moderates.

Do you think that the West has fallen into this trap set up by the fundamental Muslims, and started Bush's war on terror?

Or do you think Bush make use of the opportunity to execute his neo con agenda?