Terrorism= Fear or Anger?

[YmirGF]

Terroism = Stupidity

Some wise fellow once told us to "turn the other cheek", pity that some Muslim's prefer not to and allow themselves to react when they are under attack, be it real or imagined.

 

[blackout]

hi,

let me tell you one thing-just one!

a few centuries ago there was this guy. can't recall his name. anyways.

he was decieving people by using their ignorance. he used to take men in his house and make them smoke morphin. under the effect of drug, men were smiling. they were offered young girls and food. this guy made them believe they had a time in paradise.

when effect of morphin goes off, this guy told men something like this: "if you want to enter paradise you must follow my orders." they believed he was man of God. so to serve him they did many ugly thing that we would name "criminal" those men were ignorant.

today, conditions has changed but ignorance remains the same. if one has no education and if he is poor then he becomes an easy target for those who abuse ignorance of people.

imo there are evil men who decieve hudreds of ignorants by telling them "if you do this, you'd enter heaven."

for example, being a alive bomb. horrifying! to commit suicide is the one of the biggest sins ever. to plan to kill himself and also to plan to kill people are both reasons to end up in hell. but cos of ignorance people donot know. they donot research, they depend on some sick-minded people to know. therefor they do sick events.

Hashshashin-Assassin
Main article: Hashshashin
The term 'Assassin' is generally assumed to be derived from its connections to the Hashshashin, a militant religious sect of Ismaili Muslims, thought to be active in the Middle East in the 8th to 14th centuries. This mystic secret society killed members of the Abbasid elite for political or religious reasons.[3]
Stories claim that these early assassins were drugged during their murders, often with materials such as hashish and opium. The name assassin is derived from either hasishin for the supposed influence of the drugs, and disregard for their own lives in the process, or hassansin for their leader, Hassan-i-Sabah.
Today it is known that hashishinnya was an offensive term used to depict this cult by its Muslim and Mongolian detractors; the extreme zeal and cold preparation to murder makes it unlikely they ever used drugs.

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If I recall the Rosicrutions later had some kind of alliance with them,
and I'm pretty sure they set themselves up as bankers.
Money is a corrupt entity,
and so of course there was corruption.
You wanna control the people?
Own and make the money.
Simple.
They were later "taken down" from power,
seen as some kind of threat to some other ruling power at the time.

All kinds of crap goes on because of
mystery school/religion and the like.

I would say that 90% of all terrorism
is lead covertly from behind the sceenes
by the govts. and elite who actually own and run the world.
There are LOTS of ways to turn otherwise good people,
into irrational fanatics of one cause or another.

I believe also that our whole concept of "terrorism"
is molded in such a way,
as to always keep us looking in the wrong direction.
Govts. use terror and fear to keep their people "in line".
Our own govt. uses terror and fear to entice us into handing over our freedoms.
Who then? are the terrorists?

Why?How?-- Power, Control, MindGames

But WHO?
Let us never judge to quickly.

Pawns of the terrorists, (ie. the followers, and the mind controled)
carrying out the front line acts of terrorism,
should not obscure the presence of the actual terrorists themselves.
(working from behind the sceenes)

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The Rosicrucian Order is a legendary esoteric order with its roots in the western mystery tradition. This hermetic order is viewed among earlier and many modern Rosicrucianists as a "College of Invisibles" from the inner worlds, composed of great Adepts, aiming to give assistance in humanity's spiritual development.

 

[.lava]

Hashshashin-Assassin
Main article: Hashshashin
The term 'Assassin' is generally assumed to be derived from its connections to the Hashshashin, a militant religious sect of Ismaili Muslims, thought to be active in the Middle East in the 8th to 14th centuries. This mystic secret society killed members of the Abbasid elite for political or religious reasons.[3]
Stories claim that these early assassins were drugged during their murders, often with materials such as hashish and opium. The name assassin is derived from either hasishin for the supposed influence of the drugs, and disregard for their own lives in the process, or hassansin for their leader, Hassan-i-Sabah.
Today it is known that hashishinnya was an offensive term used to depict this cult by its Muslim and Mongolian detractors; the extreme zeal and cold preparation to murder makes it unlikely they ever used drugs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If I recall the Rosicrutions later had some kind of alliance with them,
and I'm pretty sure they set themselves up as bankers.
Money is a corrupt entity,
and so of course there was corruption.
You wanna control the people?
Own and make the money.
Simple.
They were later "taken down" from power,
seen as some kind of threat to some other ruling power at the time.

All kinds of crap goes on because of
mystery school/religion and the like.

I would say that 90% of all terrorism
is lead covertly from behind the sceenes
by the govts. and elite who actually own and run the world.
There are LOTS of ways to turn otherwise good people,
into irrational fanatics of one cause or another.

I believe also that our whole concept of "terrorism"
is molded in such a way,
as to always keep us looking in the wrong direction.
Govts. use terror and fear to keep their people "in line".
Our own govt. uses terror and fear to entice us into handing over our freedoms.
Who then? are the terrorists?

Why?How?-- Power, Control, MindGames

But WHO?
Let us never judge to quickly.

Pawns of the terrorists, (ie. the followers, and the mind controled)
carrying out the front line acts of terrorism,
should not obscure the presence of the actual terrorists themselves.
(working from behind the sceenes)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Rosicrucian Order is a legendary esoteric order with its roots in the western mystery tradition. This hermetic order is viewed among earlier and many modern Rosicrucianists as a "College of Invisibles" from the inner worlds, composed of great Adepts, aiming to give assistance in humanity's spiritual development.

thank you for information!

today western governments do their best to make their citizens believe that the source of terror is Islam. that is funny. cos most of the Islamic countries are very poor. rich ones cooperate with USA like Suudi Arabia.
collapse of twin towers looked like an terrorist attack from Al-queda. but most ignored that those guys donot have money enough to do such a thing. and they were actually trained by USA forces.

Israeli soldiers go over kids with bulldozer and noone ever talks about it. if a Muslim did such a thing that would stay on highlight for weeks.

no matter who's doing it, only innocent people get hurt, die and suffer because of actors of both sides of terror.

 

[blackout]

thank you for information!

today western governments do their best to make their citizens believe that the source of terror is Islam. that is funny. cos most of the Islamic countries are very poor. rich ones cooperate with USA like Suudi Arabia.
collapse of twin towers looked like an terrorist attack from Al-queda. but most ignored that those guys donot have money enough to do such a thing. and they were actually trained by USA forces.

Israeli soldiers go over kids with bulldozer and noone ever talks about it. if a Muslim did such a thing that would stay on highlight for weeks.

no matter who's doing it, only innocent people get hurt, die and suffer because of actors of both sides of terror.

You're welcome!

This kind of stuff fascinates me.
The only kind of history I have spent any of my own time researching,
is the history of secret societies and the like.
It's the only thing that makes any sense. Really.

Like you said,
they try to get us to believe that poor "nobodies"
can pull off INCREDIBLE feats of terrorism.

It's just ridiculous.

Then they use the "race" card,
to keep us securely looking in the wrong direction.

It's a shell game.

 

[capslockf9]

I think terrorism is a reaction to either a deperate situation or an inner struggle with desperation. It is significant that most people recruited for terrorist acts are young. The early years of life are usually those fraught with the most confusion, fear and anger. Once you became aware even a little bit as to how this world operates, it seems to be a natural response to give in to destruction. But the point is to persevere. "More men are willing to die for a belief than to live humbly for one." (unknown)

The naivete is on our side. The 911'ers were not young naive kids, but educated upper-middle class saudi arabians. Saudi arabia monarchy is propped through US assistance. Jordan monarchy is also. Isreal too. U.S. policy has propped up scores of repressive regimes against their own people through large-scale military, financial and diplomatic support. remember the shaw of iran

 

[capslockf9]

the most wierdest is that in the us support to turkey to quell the kurds but it condemned iraq when it fought the kurds.(The us sold the poison to iraq that killed many kurds) Consequently kurd territory is upon the biggest oil reserve over there. sinister.

 

[.lava]

the most wierdest is that in the us support to turkey to quell the kurds but it condemned iraq when it fought the kurds.(The us sold the poison to iraq that killed many kurds) Consequently kurd territory is upon the biggest oil reserve over there. sinister.

they actually burnt all the population records and make move many kurds and settle down in the area then it appeared like land of kurd. it was not. it was turkman area. in case you didnot know.

US did support Saddam and gave him weapons. he (Saddam) was very cruel to kurds. US also helped kurds (PKK) to make terrorist events in Turkey. Saddam let Turkey got in to Iraq to find terrorists. later USA came over and killed Saddam. now they are supporting kurds. therefor all the turkmans are screaming "we are in danger" many turkman lost their homes because kurds took the area. since USA invade Iraq, they kept telling they would help Turkey to stop PKK yet they kept on giving weapons. all the bombs, machineguns PKK use belongs to US army. pheew....etc etc etc

 

[capslockf9]

Turkey gave airspace to the invasion of iraq. The pay-off was to be kirkuk. They've been bam-boozled. Instead the iraqi kurds will recieve a puppet government and we will keep it.
Southeast Anatolia Project

 

[Smoke]

Christians also have a lot of religious "authourities" that say nasty things but have nothing to do with Christianity. Shall I quote them now, too?

I'd be interested in a rough approximation of how many Muslims have nothing to do with Islam, and how many Christians have nothing to do with Christianity.

People are always saying that whenever Christians or Muslims commit violent acts and teach nonsense in the name of their religion, it has nothing to do with their religion. It seems to me like a profound failure to face reality, this fiction that the "real" Christianity and the "real" Islam are somehow spotless and shining and without any relation to the Christianity and Islam we see on the ground.

 

[Smoke]

When you criticize Judaism, you're a Nazi. When you're criticizing Islam, you're okay.

It's folly to turn a blind eye to the dangers of either.

 

[TashaN]

I'd be interested in a rough approximation of how many Muslims have nothing to do with Islam, and how many Christians have nothing to do with Christianity.

People are always saying that whenever Christians or Muslims commit violent acts and teach nonsense in the name of their religion, it has nothing to do with their religion. It seems to me like a profound failure to face reality, this fiction that the "real" Christianity and the "real" Islam are somehow spotless and shining and without any relation to the Christianity and Islam we see on the ground.

If an atheist did something bad so all atheists are bad.
If a gay did something bad so all gays are bad.
If a Jew did something bad so all Jews are bad.

Hmm, i guess there is something in their beliefs which encourages them to do crimes. Am i right?

You see? most of people accuse the Muslims and Christians of going astray because of their dogmas and they point fingers at minorities in both faiths and they forget that each soul is responsible for what it does.

If a free soul chose to be bad then who can stop it?

It doesn't matter what kind of belief someone hold if he has a sick mind. He would just do the same acts if he was believing even in the devil himself.

People just find it cool to have cheap shots against the Muslims and Christians who are by the way make the majority of the world and they forget that these two religions are call for peace always but the people will chose either to go to the right path or the wrong one.

 

[alwayswondering]

If there are any religious implications to it, it would be the fact that the United States as of late seems to be adopting some "Christian" (and I find this indentification dubious but it is the identification purported by the Bush Administration supporters) philosophies and trying to peddle them along with Americas blend of "democracy" (again a dubious term since we are truly a republic form of government with some representative democracy splashed in).

Frubals.

 

[.lava]

Turkey gave airspace to the invasion of iraq. The pay-off was to be kirkuk. They've been bam-boozled. Instead the iraqi kurds will recieve a puppet government and we will keep it.
Southeast Anatolia Project

USA has an military base in İncirlik/Turkey. Turkish government was asked for permission to use thsat place but it did not get 'YES' from the Turkish Grand National Assembly. so USA forces had to enter Iraq from the south area. that made it more difficult for them. if the idea got permission then US forces would get in from the North.

this situation caused tension between US and Turks. do you know about this?

 

[yossarian22]

If an atheist did something bad so all atheists are bad.
If a gay did something bad so all gays are bad.
If a Jew did something bad so all Jews are bad.

This is not the point at all If your faith can be used to justify violent acts, there is something wrong with your faith.

 

[TashaN]

This is not the point at all If your faith can be used to justify violent acts, there is something wrong with your faith.

So there is something wrong with most of faiths in the world.

 

[capslockf9]

All religions are a product of fear.
Phsychological fear will make one feel inadequate. Enemy is perceived around every turn of the corner. Barriers against perceived enemy will always be inadequate.
Fear of the unknown has produced many explanations, many seperate brothers, and many enemies.
Fear will close our minds and leave dogmas. Fear is neurotic.

 

[TashaN]

All religions are a product of fear.

Not true.

 

[capslockf9]

Not true.

Where else could they have come from?

 

[TashaN]

Where else could they have come from?

God enlightened human beings, then they added more coplicationas and interpretations to it, so it became the work of human beings, but not God's. If they have just sticked to the early teachings as it's, they wouldn't fall into the evil of themselves. Once you alter a divine revelation so it will no longer become one.

 

[yossarian22]

So there is something wrong with most of faiths in the world.

Yes.
Along with many ideologies, movements etc.