Terrorism= Fear or Anger?

[Booko]

• And now for some ultra-sensitivities and wickedness

1. Genesis 38:8-10 - "Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also."

*sigh* This was just covered in another thread I went through yesterday or the day before.

Speaking of taking things out of context, try to understand this custom recorded in Genesis in the light of cultural laws and traditions about inheritance of land (which was what you needed to survive) and you find out it has squat to do with someone getting a little extra nookie or with "wasting" semen.

 

[capslockf9]

It appears that you have your own "self imposed mental prison". Good luck with that.

Maybe so , soI continue the quest. I can see past the makebelieve world that some minds exist in. The lies that have been passed from generation to generation fuel the fire. But when I considered that a "God" will impregnates humans, promise land, kill humans, flood, turn people into salt pillars, demands worship or else, punishes, rewards, etc. I knew that such an entity was a human creation. Furthur more this egotistical concept is not conducive for humans to live a full and open (free )life.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The lies that have been passed from generation to generation fuel the fire. But when I considered that a "God" will impregnates humans, promise land, kill humans, flood, turn people into salt pillars, demands worship or else, punishes, rewards, etc. I knew that such an entity was a human creation. Furthur more this egotistical concept is not conducive for humans to live a full and open (free )life.

Indeed, why so bitter? The OT is a record of man trying to find God and ultimately of how they missed the point oh, so many times. Just like the USA, they have blamed God for a plethora of sins that a God of Love would not commit.

But then, you have to free yourself from your mental prisons to really see God for who he is, and not some caricature of a cosmic bell hop waiting to commit heinous act after heinous act for naught.

 

[summia]

What is the purpose of terrorism? Is it to promote fear or anger? Is it's purpose to cause people to have sympathies for a cause? Do the perpetrators seek retaliation? Is it to rob the world of the smallest freedoms considered a victory?
My questions could go on and on but the answers seem beyond my reach, even if I should reluctantly consider Islam as a religion of peace.

Word terrorism means “ violence for the political purpose”, it doesn’t related with religion. Either the suitable word is "enforcement".
Terrorism doesn't relates to the religion, i mean not suitable to say Muslims or Christains or Hindus are terrorists.....
coz poeple who do such killing n bombing is not acceptablefor any religion and Islam also.......
The reason of why only the rate of terrorism is higher among Muslms is that Quran ecourage believers to strrugle for the correct purpose, if they established peaceful society and other poeple who are not inclined towards peace n IF THEY FIGHT then don't lose ur self and fight with them properly........
But the reason is that many people are misunderstanding this guidance.....
They used to took the last part of advice (i.e. fight with them properly) and showing violence.....
So, it wil not suitable to call any religion is the religion of fear, yes of course Terrorism is regreting......
But ! expressing of regreting doesn't relate to religion and the perpetators must hav no retaliation.

 

[love]

At this point in my life I am thinking of unplugging the television, storing the computer and pulling the shade on the part of the world that I will never see. I need to lighten my heart and concentrate on what is in front of me in my daily life. Little things like helping a neighbor in need. Waking each morning with a clear head, determined to do good where I can.
I lost an employee this week to the nightmares of multiple tours of Iraq. I feel for him and his young family as he will be spending a minimum of 8 weeks in the psychiatric ward of the VA hospital. His heart is very troubled with what he witnessed and participated in.
I did not vote for either Bush and the election fiasco that went down in Florida should be text book on how to not run an election.
I cried when Bush attacked Iraq in Desert Storm. I cried and cursed when Bush II attacked Iraq after 9/11. Suddam was an evil man and he had an iron grip on the Baath Party. With his authority gone there is vacuum left behind and the Iraqi people are afraid of what will replace him. You can't blame them, they have lived in a world where tyranny was law.
I think Americans in general want to help. We don't want to leave them in turmoil but we want our soldiers home.
Is the divide too great between the Shiite and Sunni to reach a compromise? The minority has ruled for many years. Is it so bad that the majority rules? Both sides believe in Islam.
All I have to offer is my humble prayers. Until I have more to offer I must quit stressing about things I have no control over and seek my own peace in this life.
Farewell brothers and sisters. May you find peace in your own life.

 

[capslockf9]

Indeed, why so bitter? The OT is a record of man trying to find God and ultimately of how they missed the point oh, so many times. Just like the USA, they have blamed God for a plethora of sins that a God of Love would not commit.

But then, you have to free yourself from your mental prisons to really see God for who he is, and not some caricature of a cosmic bell hop waiting to commit heinous act after heinous act for naught.

Not bitter but maybe a bit frustrated that my brothers continue to fight and kill each other some egotistically conceived idea. They really believe that "god" is on their side. Their "god" will help vanquish the enemy. The other side is sub-human. "God"rewards them in an afterlife. Their belief that we each have a seperate individual souls and that it some how will be a proxy for eternal life.
And also feeling alone and useless . Most can not be aware of what one knows. Sometimes my brothers seem like clowns, they seem empty-headed, caught up in meaningless pursuits. They do not understandand how one suffers, but giving up and turning ones back on the world is not an option.

 

[summia]

At this point in my life I am thinking of unplugging the television, storing the computer and pulling the shade on the part of the world that I will never see. I need to lighten my heart and concentrate on what is in front of me in my daily life. Little things like helping a neighbor in need. Waking each morning with a clear head, determined to do good where I can.
I lost an employee this week to the nightmares of multiple tours of Iraq. I feel for him and his young family as he will be spending a minimum of 8 weeks in the psychiatric ward of the VA hospital. His heart is very troubled with what he witnessed and participated in.
I did not vote for either Bush and the election fiasco that went down in Florida should be text book on how to not run an election.
I cried when Bush attacked Iraq in Desert Storm. I cried and cursed when Bush II attacked Iraq after 9/11. Suddam was an evil man and he had an iron grip on the Baath Party. With his authority gone there is vacuum left behind and the Iraqi people are afraid of what will replace him. You can't blame them, they have lived in a world where tyranny was law.
I think Americans in general want to help. We don't want to leave them in turmoil but we want our soldiers home.
Is the divide too great between the Shiite and Sunni to reach a compromise? The minority has ruled for many years. Is it so bad that the majority rules? Both sides believe in Islam.
All I have to offer is my humble prayers. Until I have more to offer I must quit stressing about things I have no control over and seek my own peace in this life.
Farewell brothers and sisters. May you find peace in your own life.

Your thoughts are respectable !

I lost an employee this week to the nightmares of multiple tours of Iraq. I feel for him and his young family as he will be spending a minimum of 8 weeks in the psychiatric ward of the VA hospital. His heart is very troubled with what he witnessed and participated in.

I feel sorry for

I cried when Bush attacked Iraq in Desert Storm. I cried and cursed when Bush II attacked Iraq after 9/11. Suddam was an evil man and he had an iron grip on the Baath Party. With his authority gone there is vacuum left behind and the Iraqi people are afraid of what will replace him. You can't blame them, they have lived in a world where tyranny was law.

Yeah! i hav heard about many Amaricans were not in favor of such political action and i really respects their feelings for others. before this I thought of Americans as Stoned hearted, but when i heard the news at i hav to change my mind for Americans.

I think Americans in general want to help. We don't want to leave them in turmoil but we want our soldiers home.

I think so for American but sorry to say about American polititians, coz to help other doesn't mean to increase their troubles more. if there is no way to wipe them out from turmoil then should leave them o their way rather to increaes troubles.

Is the divide too great between the Shiite and Sunni to reach a compromise? The minority has ruled for many years. Is it so bad that the majority rules? Both sides believe in Islam.

No, it's must not too great, really compromise has greater value. One thing I wish to mention u, whenever some Muslims group used to say that they belong to some sect then they are ignoring the order of Allah Almighty, I can't say they are not Muslims but they are following the wroghth track, coz Allah says, "Hold the Book together and don't divide"
In roman Arabic, " Wa tasimoo behabllillah e jami ann wa la tafaraqoo" (I need to search for exact address, u may ask to any other Muslim here for confirmation)
To rule over don't need to be in minority or majority. ruling over need sincerity and determination for the rightoeusness. It must hav no care about minority or majority. Yeah! muslims ruled over for many years but it doesn't mean that 5 year u must rule and 5 year i will rule, who has the ability to rule must come forward to anable himself that he is able to rule, whether in minority o majority.....

 

[Scuba Pete]

Not bitter but maybe a bit frustrated that my brothers continue to fight and kill each other some egotistically conceived idea. They really believe that "god" is on their side.

A belief in a God of peace, love and understanding has never led to a war. That has never stopped men from couching their murderous motives in terms of God and Country. You have to separate the real motives from the mere excuses.

 

[capslockf9]

A belief in a God of peace, love and understanding has never led to a war. That has never stopped men from couching their murderous motives in terms of God and Country. You have to separate the real motives from the mere excuses.

Correct.
An abbreviated disclosure of what I know follows:
-Emotions (feeling, wants, desires, longings ) are the cause of all human undertaking.
-Emotions are products of this matter we call our body. Matter is non-life. Emotions are a primal suvival technique.
-Something else that "jumps" out from this non-life; when some kind of electric static happen in the synapse, is your sense of self . Dr Frued defined this sense of self as ego. And now you feel to be a living being.
-When" life" functions cease the matter and all elemnets that compose you will be recycled . Static stops and "you" dissipate.
-The only one only one living being is The Great Spirit. The Great Spirit is everywhere, in the eagles,trees, and in "you".
-This is where we are connected. Respect,revernce, honor for everything follows.
-At your most serene; spiritual intent will is disclosed. At that moment you can willingly affix your "life" to that intent or not.
-I do not mean to become egoless, but to be aware of emotions and the traps they can put you in.
-This benevolent immaterial sentient being that you are a part of and which is a part of you is a reality.

 

[TashaN]

If these things are truly uttered by human lips by one claiming or granted authority and in the name of Allah, what is to be done according to the Koran?

(I am saying "what if", not accepting that this story is in fact true.)

Sorry, I didn't understand the question.

Do you mean what if someone claim that the Quran say such and such even if it was plain false?

 

[Scuba Pete]

Correct. //snip// -This benevolent immaterial sentient being that you are a part of and which is a part of you is a reality.

Sentience is the essence of our humanity and our connection with the higher One. It is how we were created in God's likeness.

Indeed, part of sentience is in trying to find a raison d’être for our life. Unfortunately, it also enables us to fool ourselves in trying to compensate for that which is NOT of God. We are at our happiest when we are doing God's will: loving others. We are saddest when we are violating God's will: hating others. We don't have to understand the dichotomy in order to reap the rewards of either, as this is built into our nature. Quite often, our sentience will cause us to justify our sadness and unfortunately, we turn to religion or country to do that.

 

[capslockf9]

Sadness and happiness are products of thought. We say I like this or I dont like that to give us happy or sad. But there is a bliss not touched by thought. To reach this place the ego has to be made to shut-up. And it takes practice , a practice initiated when one starts to become aware. Without awareness one will live by animal instinct and ego concieved ideas.

The term enthusiastic applys when we become so engrossed into what we are doing that there is no seperation between doer and the activity. One can be come enthused in a hobby, children, work, sport, etc. As children we did not know where we began and where the invironment was a seperate thing. Even though we can become so enthralled in say; a good game of baseball -we still know of the crowd or other things in the perifery but we are not fully attentatve to those. One could become engrossed and be happy but only while the activity exists.
So we need to become enthusiastic about life. Where life will not be a trial. Where we will not be seperate.

 

[mcteethinator]

Try not reading it in a cultural and historical vaccuum.

Next I suppose you'll try to tell us that Jews are the ultimate in religion-inspired violence. I mean, look at that invasion of Canaan!

hey Booko didn't you get the memo?

When you criticize Judaism, you're a Nazi. When you're criticizing Islam, you're okay.

I agree, that was my response. The mind turns away, the soul is repulsed, the physical body rejects such evil in horror.

I'm curious though. If these things are truly uttered by human lips by one claiming or granted authority and in the name of Allah, what is to be done according to the Koran?

(I am saying "what if", not accepting that this story is in fact true.)

If what I thought I read is what you meant, I'm not quite sure where in the Qur'an it says it's okay to commit beastiality.

 

[!Fluffy!]

Originally Posted by love

Fatwas Khomeini II:

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
What's this talk about principles? This man by way of his clerical position can make law?

More:
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister."

hey Booko didn't you get the memo?
When you criticize Judaism, you're a Nazi. When you're criticizing Islam, you're okay.

Rather than nurturing a persecution complex with sarcasm maybe an honest reply would help us understand better

If what I thought I read is what you meant, I'm not quite sure where in the Qur'an it says it's okay to commit beastiality.

I never said it did. If you read the question, I am asking what is the remedy for the community of believers when an immam or an ayatollah or anyone in a position of authority (purporting to speak on behalf of Allah) issues this kind of statement, or any kind of statement which goes against the teachings of the Qur'an. Is a fatwah issued by someone else holding a position of authority calling for his execution because of the heresy, as was the case with Rushdie for example?

In the case of an Ayatollah, in a non-secular sharia State would his proclamations carry the weight of law?

 

[mcteethinator]

Rather than nurturing a persecution complex with sarcasm maybe an honest reply would help us understand better

Okay well, I saw this anti-semitic Nazi video on YouTube that was criticizing Judaism's views on non-Jews. Then I realized how if you replace "Jew" with "Muslim" it was pretty much the same criticism that is commonly accepted.

I never said it did. If you read the question, I am asking what is the remedy for the community of believers when an immam or an ayatollah or anyone in a position of authority (purporting to speak on behalf of Allah) issues this kind of statement, or any kind of statement which goes against the teachings of the Qur'an. Is a fatwah issued by someone else holding a position of authority calling for his execution because of the heresy, as was the case with Rushdie for example?

In the case of an Ayatollah, in a non-secular sharia State would his proclamations carry the weight of law?

Sadly yes.

 

[Diogenes]

I think terrorism is a reaction to either a deperate situation or an inner struggle with desperation. It is significant that most people recruited for terrorist acts are young. The early years of life are usually those fraught with the most confusion, fear and anger. Once you became aware even a little bit as to how this world operates, it seems to be a natural response to give in to destruction. But the point is to persevere. "More men are willing to die for a belief than to live humbly for one." (unknown)

 

[Pariah]

The largest terrorist group is actually composed of Hindu members.

Which are you referring to?

 

[capslockf9]

religion is terrorism

 

[.lava]

What is the purpose of terrorism? Is it to promote fear or anger? Is it's purpose to cause people to have sympathies for a cause? Do the perpetrators seek retaliation? Is it to rob the world of the smallest freedoms considered a victory?
My questions could go on and on but the answers seem beyond my reach, even if I should reluctantly consider Islam as a religion of peace.

hi,

let me tell you one thing-just one!

a few centuries ago there was this guy. can't recall his name. anyways.

he was decieving people by using their ignorance. he used to take men in his house and make them smoke morphin. under the effect of drug, men were smiling. they were offered young girls and food. this guy made them believe they had a time in paradise.

when effect of morphin goes off, this guy told men something like this: "if you want to enter paradise you must follow my orders." they believed he was man of God. so to serve him they did many ugly thing that we would name "criminal" those men were ignorant.

today, conditions has changed but ignorance remains the same. if one has no education and if he is poor then he becomes an easy target for those who abuse ignorance of people.

imo there are evil men who decieve hudreds of ignorants by telling them "if you do this, you'd enter heaven."

for example, being a alive bomb. horrifying! to commit suicide is the one of the biggest sins ever. to plan to kill himself and also to plan to kill people are both reasons to end up in hell. but cos of ignorance people donot know. they donot research, they depend on some sick-minded people to know. therefor they do sick events.

 

[Mathematician]

Terrorism= Fear or Anger?

Why don't we ask our politicians?