Texas Law Banning Abortion After About Six Weeks Takes Effect

[Kooky]

The point is, a baby isn't a piece of trash to throw away or a parasite.

What about its mother?

 

[Kooky]

Borne: to carry. example: mosquito-borne disease.

born
adjective
: brought forth by or as if by birth

The baby was born prematurely.
She was born in Germany.
a mentality born in the computer age​

b : native —usually used in combination

American-born​

c : deriving or resulting from a partnership

born of necessity​

—usually used in combination

poverty-born crime​

2a : having from birth specified qualities

was born blind
Mark Twain was born Samuel Clemens.
a born leader​

b : being in specified circumstances from birth

nobly born
born poor
born into wealth​

3 : destined from or as if from birth

born to succeed​

Definition of BORN

 

[crossfire]

born
adjective
: brought forth by or as if by birth

The baby was born prematurely.
She was born in Germany.
a mentality born in the computer age​

b : native —usually used in combination

American-born​

c : deriving or resulting from a partnership

born of necessity​

—usually used in combination

poverty-born crime​

2a : having from birth specified qualities

was born blind
Mark Twain was born Samuel Clemens.
a born leader​

b : being in specified circumstances from birth

nobly born
born poor
born into wealth​

3 : destined from or as if from birth

born to succeed​

Definition of BORN

lol! the legal definition used the word borne rather than born.
Can we get past semantic gyrations and get to addressing the issues?

 

[Kooky]

lol! the legal definition used the word borne rather than born.
Can we get past semantic gyrations and get to addressing the issues?

You are right, obviously we aren't talking about the past participle of "to bear", that would be ridiculous!
Clearly, what we are talking about here is the viral transmission of children via women.

 

[Stevicus]

GOP-led states see Texas law as model to restrict abortions (apnews.com)

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — Republican states that have passed increasingly tough abortion restrictions only to see them blocked by the federal courts have a new template in an unusually written Texas law that represents the most far-reaching curb on abortions in nearly half a century.

On Thursday, Republican lawmakers in at least half a dozen states said they planned to introduce bills using the Texas law as a model, hoping it provides a pathway to enacting the kind of abortion crackdown they have sought for years.

In Mississippi, Republican state Sen. Chris McDaniel said he would “absolutely” consider filing legislation to match the Texas law after a sharply divided U.S. Supreme Court let it stand.

“I think most conservative states in the South will look at this inaction by the court and will see that as perhaps a chance to move on that issue,” he said.

The Texas law, which took effect Wednesday, prohibits abortions once medical professionals can detect cardiac activity, usually around six weeks and before many women know they’re pregnant. While a dozen states have tried to enact bans early in pregnancy, those laws have been blocked by courts.

Texas may have found an end-run around the federal courts by enacting an unusual enforcement scheme that authorizes private citizens to file lawsuits in state court against abortion providers and anyone involved in aiding an abortion, including someone who drives a woman to a clinic. The law includes a minimum award of $10,000 for a successful lawsuit, but does not have government officials criminally enforce the law.

In addition to Mississippi, GOP lawmakers and abortion opponents in at least five other Republican-controlled states — Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, North Dakota and South Dakota — said they were considering pushing bills similar to the Texas law and its citizen-enforcement provision.

“Even though you may have pro-life legislators, you do not always have pro-life bureaucrats who are willing to do enforcement inspections,” said Indiana state Sen. Liz Brown, a Republican who has been the sponsor of several anti-abortion bills adopted in recent years.

Republicans for years have turned to statehouses in conservative states to find new ways to erode abortion rights enshrined by the high court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision. The Supreme Court — at least for now — has cleared a path forward for them.

“We’re excited, and we really do think that the heartbeat bill strategy is working,” said Blaine Conzatti, president of the Idaho Family Policy Center, which opposes abortions.

Idaho passed a law this year with similar restrictions to Texas, but it will only go into effect if a U.S. appeals court upholds another state’s law, a condition that has not been met.

Arkansas state Sen. Jason Rapert on Thursday tweeted that he planned to file legislation mirroring Texas’ law when lawmakers reconvene this fall. The Republican lawmaker sponsored a 2013 “heartbeat” abortion ban that was later struck down by federal courts and another outright ban enacted this year that a federal judge has blocked.

Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, a Republican, said the state should wait until the more stringent anti-abortion Arkansas law receives a final judgment.

Hutchinson called the court’s ruling on Texas’ law a “procedural victory” for abortion opponents, but said it doesn’t reflect the court’s view on whether Roe v. Wade should be reversed. Overturning that decision is abortion opponents’ foremost goal.

In Tennessee, Stacy Dunn, the president of Tennessee Right to Life, said she is hopeful the Supreme Court’s decision to allow the Texas law to go in effect means the high court will rule to reverse Roe. Ten states, including Tennessee, have laws that would effectively outlaw most abortions should Roe v. Wade be overturned.

“This Texas law could be a ray of light at the end of a very long and dark tunnel, and our state is ready,” Dunn said in a statement.

Democrats also anticipated the Supreme Court’s new conservative majority overturning Roe, although they fear a ruling striking it down would leave old state laws outlawing abortions in effect.

“Reproductive freedom in our state is built on case law,” said New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, a Democrat, as he pushed for state lawmakers to enact a bill that would enshrine access to abortions.

“All of that case law is in turn built on the Supreme Court’s decision on Roe v. Wade. If the foundation of that series of case laws is impacted, impaired, taken away, the entire reality in our state falls like a house of cards, which is why we need to, as soon as possible, put this protection into statute.”

In New Mexico, Democratic state Rep. Patricia Roybal Caballero of Albuquerque said she was angered by the Texas law because it might lead to underground abortion procedures that endanger the lives of women.

Roybal Caballero, a “Catholic for choice” in her words, wants New Mexico to provide safe passage to anyone seeking medical care, including abortion procedures that she believes should be a matter of personal choice. A clinic in Albuquerque is one of only a few independent facilities in the country that perform abortions close to the third trimester without conditions.

“We don’t want to go back to the 1960s and 1970s underground days of illegal abortions,” she said. “It’s our decision. And if it’s going to be our decision, it should be a safe and healthy outcome.”

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh gee whiz! The legal definition of mother is a woman who has borne a child.
Crimeny!

Yews, that means that she has given birth. Exactly what I said.

 

[We Never Know]

Yews, that means that she has given birth. Exactly what I said.

Source?

 

[Wildswanderer]

What about its mother?

She gets the joy of carrying life to fruition.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

She gets the joy of carrying life to fruition.

Not that you care but for many, many women it's not a joy. Less so when they're being forced to give up their body autonomy against their will.

If I lived on the Texas border I'd provide ride solutions to out of state abortion clinics for them.

 

[We Never Know]

Not that you care but for many, many women it's not a joy. Less so when they're being forced to give up their body autonomy against their will.

If I lived on the Texas border I'd provide ride solutions to out of state abortion clinics for them.

Prevention is key. Its the same with the virus.
If a person doesn't want it, do things to prevent it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Prevention is key. Its the same with the virus.
If a person doesn't want it, do things to prevent it.

People have been conceived on both the pill and a condom. Sometimes birth control fails. I agree that prevention is best, and access to BC and family planning services is essential. But I don't think it's key to the abortion debate personally.

 

[Friend of Mara]

She gets the joy of carrying life to fruition.

Sarcasm? Hope this is sarcasm.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Sarcasm? Hope this is sarcasm.

Why would it be sarcasm? Childbirth isn't a curse, it's a natural process of bringing life into the world.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why would it be sarcasm? Childbirth isn't a curse, it's a natural process of bringing life into the world.

....a really beautiful natural curse.
If'n wimins wuz me, humans would go extinctified.

 

[Kooky]

She gets the joy of carrying life to fruition.

Do you believe people commonly feel joy for activities that are forced on them against their will, and with the threat of imprisonment or other forms of physical and mental punishment?

 

[ecco]

I don't mind answering your question, as long as you understand your question isn't related to what I'm saying to ecco. I'm talking about terminology alone with him. His is an old, but lame argument.

Using English properly is "an old, but lame argument"? I'm sure your fifth-grade teacher would be very displeased to hear you say that. Please disregard that comment if you were homeschooled.

Also, if you are going to reference me by name in a comment, please use the format @ecco. See, that's another example of proper usage.

Having said that: I am pro-life but believe in changing minds over changing laws. What's happening in Texas is going to backfire mightily on the GOP, it's dystopian and unconstitutional.

I can agree with your last sentence. Regarding your first sentence, are you equally passionate about BLM which is also about the right to life?

 

[ecco]

That would depend on the circumstances.
The point is, a baby isn't a piece of trash to throw away or a parasite. He's a miracle.

How many abandoned miracles have you adopted?

 

[pearl]

What do you think of the fact that the new law doesn't make exceptions for pregnancies from rape or incest? We don't disagree that arguing that infants aren't "persons" is unethical and dangerous, but in my opinion, so is denying women the right to bodily autonomy, especially when they're survivors of rape or incestuous abuse.

One of the reasons there can be no compromise, the rape or incest is not the fault of the perfectly innocent fetus, 'visiting the sin of the father' on the child. I'm sure some aspect of the law restricts the 'morning after pill' which does not cause abortion but prevents ovulation.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Why would it be sarcasm? Childbirth isn't a curse, it's a natural process of bringing life into the world.

Its also not a reward. It can be life ruining.

 

[Debater Slayer]

She gets the joy of carrying life to fruition.

I think only the pregnant women gets to decide whether or not her carrying a baby to term would be a "joy." It's her body, not anyone else's and certainly not the body of men who wish to impose their beliefs on women who choose to have abortions.