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Thai cave ordeal turning into quite a drama

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
A friend was an avid caver. He discovered news sections of Mammoth, as I recall.
e was skinny, smart & obsessive. He never mentioned his having been into caving.
I only found out by seeing a book about him (& others).

As Nicholai Hel said (in the novel, Shibumi), spelunking is not about being showy.

Some of my best friends, and most sensible, were cavers, although a few were a bit nutty. o_O It would be difficult to pick between caving, mountaineering, and yachting as to which one provided the best experiences in my life.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Some of my best friends, and most sensible, were cavers, although a few were a bit nutty. o_O It would be difficult to pick between caving, mountaineering, and yachting as to which one provided the best experiences in my life.
Sounds like you're in the 1% of the 1%.
Way to go!
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Some of my best friends, and most sensible, were cavers, although a few were a bit nutty. o_O It would be difficult to pick between caving, mountaineering, and yachting as to which one provided the best experiences in my life.

I love crawling on my hands and knees in caves. Not caving but archaeological digs looking for and investigating the cro magnon era.

Im guessing (not tried) that im too timid for real caving.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I love crawling on my hands and knees in caves. Not caving but archaeological digs looking for and investigating the cro magnon era.

Im guessing (not tried) that im too timid for real caving.

I had my first taste with the scouts, on two occasions, where we went down several caves each weekend. It sure is a love/hate decider though. I loved the sheer variety one can get, from lots of crawling, vast chambers, or endless pitches involving climbing ladders (now just ropes), and all the things I mentioned previously. Few people can definitely say they have stood where no one else has stood before, but I have done so, and the pristine nature tells one this. But it took some work - like bailing out a sump to squeeze through. :D
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I had my first taste with the scouts, on two occasions, where we went down several caves each weekend. It sure is a love/hate decider though. I loved the sheer variety one can get, from lots of crawling, vast chambers, or endless pitches involving climbing ladders (now just ropes), and all the things I mentioned previously. Few people can definitely say they have stood where no one else has stood before, but I have done so, and the pristine nature tells one this. But it took some work - like bailing out a sump to squeeze through. :D

The places ive been are all 'quite easily' accessible, no main thoroughfares by any means, some unvisited for 30,000 years, but nothing that needs more than basic training.

Takes guts to go where no man has been before.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
New documentary from ABC News, Australia (about an hour long) about the rescue - and quite moving:

 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
The places ive been are all 'quite easily' accessible, no main thoroughfares by any means, some unvisited for 30,000 years, but nothing that needs more than basic training.

Takes guts to go where no man has been before.

Whether it is cave art from our ancestors or natural cave art from the formations often seen in many caves (easily found on Google images no doubt), caves are well worth a visit. Many in the UK have some unique features but no doubt can't rival the bigger, longer, or deeper caves found all around the world. I've never visited any of them - like the Mammoth cave system mentioned by Revoltingest. Finding a new cave system must be hugely enjoyable, especially one unlikely to have ever been visited before.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Whether it is cave art from our ancestors or natural cave art from the formations often seen in many caves (easily found on Google images no doubt), caves are well worth a visit. Many in the UK have some unique features but no doubt can't rival the bigger, longer, or deeper caves found all around the world. I've never visited any of them - like the Mammoth cave system mentioned by Revoltingest. Finding a new cave system must be hugely enjoyable, especially one unlikely to have ever been visited before.

Where i live we are blessed with some wonderful caves, many are tourist attractions (for very good reason)

vezere-valley-caves.jpg


some have been barred to the public because they are being adversely effected by bacteria being carried in on human breath.

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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
[GALLERY=media, 8601]Magnificent Straws In Cloud Chamber - Dan Yr Ogof Cave by Mock Turtle posted Jul 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM[/GALLERY]

[GALLERY=media, 8600]Doolin-cave by Mock Turtle posted Jul 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM[/GALLERY]

A couple of the caves I have visited, but usually more like the next:

[GALLERY=media, 8599]823435034_0b9d195448_b by Mock Turtle posted Jul 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM[/GALLERY]

And the following (Fingal's Cave, in Scotland), was rather a disappointment. :D

[GALLERY=media, 8602]Fingals-cave_426383269 by Mock Turtle posted Jul 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM[/GALLERY]
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Most visionaries are very flawed people.
That's because most people are very flawed people.

I just watched....
The Rescue (2021 film) - Wikipedia
I thought it very well done...always interesting & captivating.
I had no idea of the many seemingly insurmountable difficulties
they had to overcome, nor of the massive number of people in
the various aspects of the rescue, eg, diverting rain water,
pumping out water, logistics. (96% on Rotten Tomatoes.)
I highly recommend it.

It reminds me how utterly ignorant & pompous it was for
Elon Musk to interfere by offering a ludicrous submarine,
while repeatedly & baselessly attacking one diver as a
pedophile.
Must managed to eek a win in the libel suit against him.
He convinced the jury that it was just an offhand insult,
& apologized. But court documents show that Musk
made the accusation on multiple occasions, even calling
Vernon Unsworth (one of the cave divers) a "child rapist".
IMO, Elon Musk is a despicable human being.
Ref....
Elon Musk wins defamation case over 'pedo guy' tweet about caver
 
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