That Wacky.....no....Demented United Arab Emirates

[Shermana]

That makes sense now.
Still, even if the change is evidenced, her prosecution for any of those charges seems unwarranted.

No one here is saying the laws themselves or the prosecution itself is warranted. The only thing that I would say would warrant prosecution is making a provable false charge of rape, which happens far more often than some people would like to deny.

As for motive as to why she'd make such a claim....it was her boss (not just a coworker apparently)....

 

[Falvlun]

I don't think you quite understand the situation.

The charge of consentual sex applies to anyone who has consentual sex.

She herself reported to them that she had consenstal sex.

She first reported it was rape. That's why she called the police in the first place. Her former boss (is this the person she alleges raped her btw?!?) encouraged her to say it was consensual so that she could just go home. I could see how, being a woman in a decidedly unsupportive and dangerous climate, that would be attractive. When this backfired, she then resumed her claim of rape.

Once again, why do you point out that she reported consensual sex, but omit the fact that she also-- and more often and initially-- reported rape?

To convict her of consensual sex, you must disregard or discount the claim of rape. This is what happened. Do you understand the situation now?

I understand you believe any and all rape accusations should be assumed true until proven otherwise, but that's another story.

Ah yes. That is quite the story.

 

[Revoltingest]

No one here is saying the laws themselves or the prosecution itself is warranted. The only thing that I would say would warrant prosecution is making a provable false charge of rape, which happens far more often than some people would like to deny.
As for motive as to why she'd make such a claim....it was her boss (not just a coworker apparently)....

Indeed, a false charge of rape would warrant prosecution. But this doesn't appear to be a false charge. It seems a reluctant change due to pressure & bad counsel.

 

[dust1n]

Six days later, on March 12, Ms Dalelv returned to the police and retracted the allegation of rape, saying that she had made the initial complaint "because I was under the influence of alcohol".
Exactly why Ms Dalelv decided to change her account is still unclear.

In an interview with CNN, she says she began to suspect that the police did not believe her story after her first interview and was advised by a manager at her company that if she admitted the sex was consensual "it would all go away".

A spokesman for the company, Al Mana Interiors of Qatar, has denied this.

He said the suggestion came in Arabic from a police officer and that its representative acted simply as a translator.

Facts behind the headlines of the Marte Deborah Dalelv Dubai sex case - The National

 

[Falvlun]

I agree with your assessment of what most likely happened, i just don't agree that it's clear cut. I do think she was raped, and her account of the reaction of the police sounds authentic to me based on similar cases, but we have also only heard one side of the story and in a not very thorough manner.

So i just don't think it's really that obvious, rather only the seemingly more likely scenario.

I'm cool with that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Six days later, on March 12, Ms Dalelv returned to the police and retracted the allegation of rape, saying that she had made the initial complaint "because I was under the influence of alcohol".
Exactly why Ms Dalelv decided to change her account is still unclear.

In an interview with CNN, she says she began to suspect that the police did not believe her story after her first interview and was advised by a manager at her company that if she admitted the sex was consensual "it would all go away".

A spokesman for the company, Al Mana Interiors of Qatar, has denied this.

He said the suggestion came in Arabic from a police officer and that its representative acted simply as a translator.

Facts behind the headlines of the Marte Deborah Dalelv Dubai sex case - The National

Complicated it is.
She drank more alcohol than I could.
Bad idea.

 

[dust1n]

It's unfortunate one would focus on this particular story for criticism of the UAE... one would probably do much better with well-documented cases:

How the UAE Condones Sexual Violence | Human Rights Watch

 

[Revoltingest]

It's unfortunate one would focus on this particular story for criticism of the UAE... one would probably do much better with well-documented cases:
How the UAE Condones Sexual Violence | Human Rights Watch

I stand by my view that the UAE abused this gal.
Her shortcomings do not justify her treatment.

 

[dust1n]

Complicated it is.
She drank more alcohol than I could.
Bad idea.

Sure... but it would be a little silly to think three glasses of vodka, a mojito, and a beer would result in blacking out... all the way to 4 in a half hours later (not counting the time to get back to the hotel), when the incident was known to take place.. Unless, the vodka glass was of enormous size.

 

[Poeticus]

I stand by my view that the UAE abused this gal.

Namaste,

It is best to stay away from such countries. Those who enter, beware!!

M.V.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure... but it would be a little silly to think three glasses of vodka, a mojito, and a beer would result in blacking out... all the way to 4 in a half hours later (not counting the time to get back to the hotel), when the incident was known to take place.. Unless, the vodka glass was of enormous size.

That much booze would wreck me, & I likely close to double her weight.

 

[dust1n]

I stand by my view that the UAE abused this gal.
Her shortcomings do not justify her treatment.

A year in a jail for non-consensual sex is beyond Draconian. I have no idea whether she was raped or not.

 

[dust1n]

That much booze would wreck me, & I likely outweigh her by almost double.

5 drinks would wreck me too, but it wouldn't result in ed hoc blackout... unless maybe I chugged them within thirty minutes or so. That's not to say that such blackouts do not occur at such low amounts of alcohol.

 

[Poeticus]

A year in a jail for non-consensual sex is beyond Draconian. I have no idea whether she was raped or not.

Namaste,

No, they said it was jail for consensual sex.

Thus, I stated earlier, watch me go to jail in the future for wearing a wrong set of pants or for brushing my teeth the wrong way or do something trivial that they don't like.

If that made any sense.

M.V.

 

[Revoltingest]

5 drinks would wreck me too, but it wouldn't result in ed hoc blackout... unless maybe I chugged them within thirty minutes or so. That's not to say that such blackouts do not occur at such low amounts of alcohol.

Women typically cannot metabolize alcohol as well as men. So if that much would wreck me, it's conceivable that she could lose consciousness from it. But there is no question that she'd be extremely impaired.

 

[Revoltingest]

Namaste,
No, they said it was jail for consensual sex.
Thus, I stated earlier, watch me go to jail in the future for wearing a wrong set of pants or for brushing my teeth the wrong way or do something trivial that they don't like.
If that made any sense.
M.V.

Do you mean that strange & unexpected laws with severe punishment are scary?

 

[Shermana]

That much booze would wreck me, & I likely close to double her weight.

Such lightweights here. I do 10 shots of 7x-distilled Vodka just to feel a buzz.

 

[Falvlun]

Such lightweights here. I do 10 shots of 7x-distilled Vodka just to feel a buzz.

Heck, one really good beer can get me feeling warm and happy.

 

[Shermana]

She first reported it was rape. That's why she called the police in the first place. Her former boss (is this the person she alleges raped her btw?!?) encouraged her to say it was consensual so that she could just go home. I could see how, being a woman in a decidedly unsupportive and dangerous climate, that would be attractive. When this backfired, she then resumed her claim of rape.

Once again, why do you point out that she reported consensual sex, but omit the fact that she also-- and more often and initially-- reported rape?

To convict her of consensual sex, you must disregard or discount the claim of rape. This is what happened. Do you understand the situation now?


Ah yes. That is quite the story.

Why do you keep insisting that I omitted the fact that she initially reported rape, why do you keep omitting that I said "Changed her story"?

Whether she changed it out of pressure or not, she said she changed it because she "suspected" they did not believe her story. How does that fit in exactly?

She herself said that she initially reported rape "Due to alcohol" being involved. We simply don't know what happened. I'm just reporting what happened as it is, as there seems to be a lot of misrepresenting of what even the Western news reports are saying.

 

[Shermana]

Heck, one really good beer can get me feeling warm and happy.

I drink a pint just for dessert.