That Wacky.....no....Demented United Arab Emirates

[Aquitaine]

And this be among the reasons why alcohol should be illegal

As an American you should know that prohibition doesn't work.

 

[FearGod]

And this be among the reasons why alcohol should be illegal

Murder,suicide,accidents,health risk among others.

 

[Falvlun]

Disagree, that's threatening jail time for admitting to consensual sex (which she did). She claimed later that she was raped (perhaps to avoid jail time for consensual sex no one knows) but her evidence was obviously not there.

Moral of the story: If you are raped do not report to the police that you had consensual sex.

I highly doubt that this woman called the police just to let them know that she had consensual sex. She didn't have to involve the police at all. That's the part of the story that you conveniently leave out.

I don't know why she ended up reporting that it was consensual before she returned to her original version of rape. I can't find any articles about it. I'm willing to bet that she was counseled or badgered into doing so.

Regardless, we are still left with a woman who claimed to have been raped and who was thrown into jail because she could not prove it.

 

[Falvlun]

Here's more instances of women claiming to be raped in the UAE, and getting jail time instead:
Gang rape UAE woman

Australian Woman

British Woman

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's more instances of women claiming to be raped in the UAE, and getting jail time instead:
Gang rape UAE woman
Australian Woman
British Woman

Wouldn't it violate Islam for a government to condone raping women?
(I presume that men who are raped don't fare any better, since they'd be guilty of both sex & homosexuality.)

 

[Shermana]

I highly doubt that this woman called the police just to let them know that she had consensual sex. She didn't have to involve the police at all. That's the part of the story that you conveniently leave out.

I don't know why she ended up reporting that it was consensual before she returned to her original version of rape. I can't find any articles about it. I'm willing to bet that she was counseled or badgered into doing so.

Regardless, we are still left with a woman who claimed to have been raped and who was thrown into jail because she could not prove it.

She was counseled by her manager, read the story.

But....why?

She was not thrown into jail for not being able to prove it, she was thrown into jail for changing her story which would thus mean she made, in all other respects, a "false report", as she was charged with.

 

[Poeticus]

She was counseled by her manager, read the story.

But....why?

She was not thrown into jail for not being able to prove it, she was thrown into jail for changing her story which would thus mean she made, in all other respects, a "false report", as she was charged with.

Namaste,

Makes sense to me.

M.V.

 

[Revoltingest]

This linked article....
Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss | GulfNews.com
....makes no sense. Why on Earth would she call the cops about sex she thought was consensual?
It makes more sense that the cops are making up a story to cover their persecution of her.
(Cops have been known to lie.)

 

[Shermana]

This linked article....
Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss | GulfNews.com
....makes no sense. Why on Earth would she call the cops about sex she thought was consensual?
It makes more sense that the cops are making up a story to cover their persecution of her.
(Cops have been known to lie.)

Indeed, I have dealt with cops trying to use false witness on me before, quite an abomination of a tactic.

But she was in fact encouraged by her manager to say it was consentual. And she did. This is not what's being questioned by anyone, not even the news sources reporting it. I don't see what story the cops would be making up in the first place.

What's questionable is WHY she was encouraged to say so, and why she did. That's the issue here.

 

[Badran]

What i understood from Bismillah's linked article is that she first said she was raped then changed to consensual sex, then back to rape.

 

[Revoltingest]

Indeed, I have dealt with cops trying to use false witness on me before, quite an abomination of a tactic.
But she was in fact encouraged by her manager to say it was consentual. And she did. This is not what's being questioned by anyone, not even the news sources reporting it. I don't see what story the cops would be making up in the first place.
What's questionable is WHY she was encouraged to say so, and why she did. That's the issue here.

I'd question that it happened at all.
Is there incontrovertible evidence that she ever claimed it was consensual?

 

[Shermana]

I'd question that it happened at all.
Is there incontrovertible evidence that she ever claimed it was consensual?

I think she admitted it herself.

Now also interesting, is that the Prosecution record clashes a bit with the Police Record. The implications of lying about this would mean possibly billions of dollars lost in Tourism and international relations nightmares. I see far more reason for them to be honest about this than her.

Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss | GulfNews.com

Prosecution records quoted the woman admitting that she had consensual sex with H.A.
She said they left the nightclub where they were drinking, according to her prosecution statement, at 3am and went to the hotel where they were staying near Safa Park.
Dalelv claimed to prosecutors that H.A. suggested that she sleep in his room to wake up for an early business meeting.
The woman undressed and slept in her underwear on the bed while the Sudanese slept on the couch for a while before he moved to a bed beside her, she claimed.
Prosecution records cited Dalelv admitting that she initiated the sexual activity with H.A. and he responded.
When asked by the investigating prosecutor why she reported to the police that she was raped, the Norwegian claimed it was because she was under the influence of liquor.
Meanwhile police records said Dalelv informed police that H.A. had sex with her against her will.
She alleged to police interrogators that after she jumped into bed in her underwear, her boss slept on the couch.
The woman claimed she was sleeping when she woke up in pain and realized that H.A. was having sex with her. She claimed that she asked him to stop repeatedly and attempted to push him away.
When the case appeared in court, advocate Abu Gareda asked the court to dismiss his client’s consensual sex charge and giving a false statement to the police.

 

[Falvlun]

She was counseled by her manager, read the story.

But....why?

She was not thrown into jail for not being able to prove it, she was thrown into jail for changing her story which would thus mean she made, in all other respects, a "false report", as she was charged with.

Again, why are you ignoring the other two charges?

 

[Revoltingest]

I think she admitted it herself.

Now also interesting, is that the Prosecution record clashes a bit with the Police Record. The implications of lying about this would mean possibly billions of dollars lost in Tourism and international relations nightmares. I see far more reason for them to be honest about this than her.

Norwegian woman Marte Deborah Dalelv jailed for having consensual sex with boss | GulfNews.com

I see great motivation to be dishonest also. They have a history of prosecuting women for being raped, & this 'adjustment' of the records would serve a public relations need to make the women guilty of something else...something more prosecutable in western eyes.
I've yet to see evidence of her saying it was consensual......only governmental claims about this.

 

[Shermana]

Again, why are you ignoring the other two charges?

What do the other two charges have to do with the question of what exactly happened? If I'm ignoring them it's because that is an issue that's solely relevant to your critique on the culture's laws against sex outside of marriage and drinking alcohol, I'm not here to debate that. You can start a debate thread against Islam about why it's wrong to make laws against drinking alcohol and sex out of wedlock or why visiting Westerners should be able to violate those sovereign laws when they visit those countries but that's not what this is about.

 

[Badran]

I'd question that it happened at all.
Is there incontrovertible evidence that she ever claimed it was consensual?

The closest i could find:

[youtube]zVj-bs8vMrg[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVj-bs8vMrg


She's not shown saying it, but supposedly this is an interview with her (which is shown in part), and this is CNN so they probably have less reasons to lie about that.

 

[Falvlun]

What do the other two charges have to do with the question of what exactly happened? If I'm ignoring them it's because that is an issue that's solely relevant to your critique on the culture's laws against sex outside of marriage and drinking alcohol, I'm not here to debate that. You can start a debate thread against Islam about why it's wrong to make laws against drinking alcohol and sex out of wedlock or why visiting Westerners should be able to violate those sovereign laws when they visit those countries but that's not what this is about.

Because when you claim that she was "thrown into jail for changing her story" you are making an incorrect statement. She was thrown into jail for making a false report, for having sex outside of marriage, and for being drunk.

 

[Revoltingest]

The closest i could find:

[youtube]zVj-bs8vMrg[/youtube]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVj-bs8vMrg
She's not shown saying it, but supposedly this is an interview with her (which is shown in part), and this is CNN so they probably have less reasons to lie about that.

Nothing in that interview suggests it was consensual.

 

[Badran]

Nothing in that interview suggests it was consensual.

That's not what you asked for. Of course it doesn't suggest that it was consensual, nobody knows that.

What you asked was:

I'd question that it happened at all.
Is there incontrovertible evidence that she ever claimed it was consensual?

Which is stated in the video to supposedly be something she said.

 

[Shermana]

Because when you claim that she was "thrown into jail for changing her story" you are making an incorrect statement. She was thrown into jail for making a false report, for having sex outside of marriage, and for being drunk.

Then you misunderstand my quote, I was responding to the specific issue at question. I'm sorry if I didn't provide the entire list of charges when I was referencing the relevant issue, I didn't figure that would be necessary in relevance to the actual subject at hand.