nPeace
Veteran Member
It makes sense to me that since the new nation is not a fleshly nation, not under obligation to be circumcised by flesh, the people of all nations - whether Jew, or gentile - make up those who come into the fold.IMV, I believe he his talking in generalities here, and then only for a time. We understand that it was the Jews that first started His Church by the thousands upon thousands. So the "lost sheep" were found. Thus, I believe he is talking in generalities. Even today there are many of the Jewish nation that accept the Messiah.
Even Paul said, Romans 11:17 "And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree"
Some points:
1) "some branches be broken off" means that not all branches were broken off. God is not finished with His chosen people.
2) I believe he was talking to the those who were ruling and in charge of disseminating God's word. In that sense, "yes", it was given to the Gentiles (but Jews are still included for they believed) - but even the gentiles can be removed "20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
3) The "root... of the olive tree" is talking about Israel. So, IMV, He delivers back to the Jewish people the charge of disseminating His salvation. So... it was the Jews first, then the Gentiles and ultimately back to the Jews.
BUT, of course, I let God have the ultimate say so as these are just my views.
So they are neither Jew nor Gentile, in God's eyes, but they are referred to as Jews in a spiritual sense.
Hence why Jesus, when making the promise to those that stuck with him, he said, "I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel." Luke 22:28-30
If they are judging the 12 tribes of Israel (which are obviously spiritual, and not fleshly), then we can appreciate that the 144,000 are spiritual Jews (not fleshly) who will rule (Rev. 7:4), and the twelve tribes of Israel (not fleshly), who are ruled over - the subjects of the kingdom (Rev. 7:9).
As calm pointed out, they are the earthly subjects who are guided to waters of life.
That's how I understand it.