The Afterlife

[Vaderecta]

Exactly. Consciousness is non-physical. Thought and feeling occur on the astral and mental planes. At death we just drop our physical interface to the physical plane, as shown in this story. We continue to think and feel as before.

This is clearly proven no where. You read some story and it prickled the hairs on the back of your neck or whatever. There is nothing but your opinion of reality in these posts and you seem like someone who really wants to believe this is just a learning experience or a pointless existence and the real stuff happens when your brain stops working... Consciousness is not physical is a crazy thought. It might be interesting to consider but so is Black Mirror. (Except the latter is more entertaining and may make one think more yet both are fiction)

Consciousness is still being figured out... You are not helping to figure it out you are just saying you dont know but I do and its this... stop looking plebes I got this.... Its Astral and Ethereal and you need to roll a 1 on a d100 to realize it unless your wisdom is over 23 and your intelligence is over 19!!(one)!!!1

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It seems as though you may missed the point of that verbiage of mine you quoted.

That particular verbiage had nothing to do with Near Death Experiences. I was talking about people that have been dead for years or even a century. They still come back and communicate through spirit mediums in my opinion.

See the story of Private Dowding in post #14 above from @Trailblazer This is the kind of thing I was referring to in that passage (this has nothing to do with Near Death Experiences where a person regains consciousness).

It was just in general. I read the site you posted up a couple of times on the topic. I understand thats your belief. Just I dont believe in NDE because you kinda need to be dead, no heart, no brain, no awareness, in order in some way be alive again to share the experience. Near-death is a bad choice of wording because near does not mean dead.

As for talking with spirits etc I wasnt referring to that. The spirits have already passed on. There are no bodies. NDE is saying the person had a glimpse of death and able to express the afterlife by quoting experiences he or she couldnt have had without the experience.

I understand the spirit part. NDE I dont.

 

[George-ananda]

This is clearly proven no where. You read some story and it prickled the hairs on the back of your neck or whatever. There is nothing but your opinion of reality in these posts and you seem like someone who really wants to believe this is just a learning experience or a pointless existence and the real stuff happens when your brain stops working... Consciousness is not physical is a crazy thought. It might be interesting to consider but so is Black Mirror. (Except the latter is more entertaining and may make one think more yet both are fiction)

Consciousness is still being figured out... You are not helping to figure it out you are just saying you dont know but I do and its this... stop looking plebes I got this.... Its Astral and Ethereal and you need to roll a 1 on a d100 to realize it unless your wisdom is over 23 and your intelligence is over 19!!(one)!!!1

Well, I believe in the afterlife from a preponderance of evidence and a variety of different phenomena. Here's just one website that tries to summarize the Afterlife Evidence

 

[Vaderecta]

Well, I believe in the afterlife from a preponderance of evidence and a variety of different phenomena. Here's just one website that tries to summarize the Afterlife Evidence

Cool. You're like I believe in harry potter due to a preponderance of novels and books which have been shown all across the country. EXCEPT if you took that view more people would be with you. There is nothing concrete to support an afterlife. I spend my waking hours researching consciousness and serving slushies at 7/11. I know what I am talking about, here is a good site to research: Black Mirror | Netflix Official Site

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Cool. You're like I believe in harry potter due to a preponderance of novels and books which have been shown all across the country. EXCEPT if you took that view more people would be with you. There is nothing concrete to support an afterlife. I spend my waking hours researching consciousness and serving slushies at 7/11. I know what I am talking about, here is a good site to research: Black Mirror | Netflix Official Site

Are you just here to mock people or what? You're coming off as very rude and insulting. If you don't agree, just disagree and move on. There's no need to carry on mocking people. This is a religion discussion forum and people have a variety of views.

 

[Vaderecta]

Are you just here to mock people or what? You're coming off as very rude and insulting. If you don't agree, just disagree and move on. There's no need to carry on mocking people. This is a religion discussion forum and people have a variety of views.

No I am not here just to mock people. Some times people say really silly things and are unaware that they said silly things. I am just pointing it out and wished people would have pointed it out to me when I was younger. I do not feel I have crossed any lines and your opinion of if I am rude or insulting is unimportant. We have moderators and long time members who will crush me if I cross a line. Trust mate, I've been here as a ghost for maybe 12 years. He or she is wrong in my opinion and is quoting very sketchy sources and arguing about fairy dust.

This is the general religious forum. If you catch me sneaking into some safe space forum you can ban me and move on discussing pixies.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No I am not here just to mock people. Some times people say really silly things and are unaware that they said silly things. I am just pointing it out and wished people would have pointed it out to me when I was younger. I do not feel I have crossed any lines and your opinion of if I am rude or insulting is unimportant. We have moderators and long time members who will crush me if I cross I line. Trust mate, I've been here as a ghost for maybe 12 years. He or she is wrong in my opinion and is quoting very sketchy sources and arguing about fairy dust.

This is the general religious forum. If you catch me sneaking into some safe space forum you can ban me and move on discussing pixies.

Excuse you, but I'm not a noob to this forum. I'm not surprised you don't care about my opinion as that seems befitting of your overall attitude. I'm just saying you are coming off as very rude. If you keep it up, you'll probably up end up getting infractions. It's against the rules to bully people and try to convert them out of their beliefs. So if George is a Hindu with New Age beliefs, you're not allowed to try and convert him to atheism, but you can debate his beliefs. Mocking and belittling people's beliefs doesn't make them want to agree with them, anyway. So it's a waste of time and simply mean-spirited.

 

[Trailblazer]

Well, I believe in the afterlife from a preponderance of evidence and a variety of different phenomena. Here's just one website that tries to summarize the Afterlife Evidence

Here is another book you might like that is kind of cool... Unfortunately it is not online to read but it is worth purchasing. The Afterlife Revealed

 

[Vaderecta]

Excuse you, but I'm not a noob to this forum. I'm not surprised you don't care about my opinion as that seems befitting of your overall attitude. I'm just saying you are coming off as very rude. If you keep it up, you'll probably up end up getting infractions. It's against the rules to bully people and try to convert them out of their beliefs. Mocking and belittling people's beliefs doesn't make them want to agree with them, anyway. So it's a waste of time and simply mean-spirited.

How do I not care about your opinions? I'm not trying to convert anyone. Believe what you want. I think its almost as silly to be an atheist as it is to be a theist.

You are a very sensitive soul. Go outside and play for a while, the other kids are not as mean as you think.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

How do I not care about your opinions? I'm not trying to convert anyone. Believe what you want. I think its almost as silly to be an atheist as it is to be a theist.

You are a very sensitive soul. Go outside and play for a while, the other kids are not as mean as you think.

It's not about being "sensitive", it's about not being an *******. Some people could afford to be more sensitive, anyway.

 

[Vaderecta]

It's not about being "sensitive", it's about not being an *******. Some people could afford to be more sensitive, anyway.

Your opinion of me is noted Saint Fictional monster brought to life by an eponymously named doctor. I'll still listen to you if you have anything of substance to say. I don't really care about this SJW exchange. You keep doing you mate.

 

[Trailblazer]

There is nothing concrete to support an afterlife.

That is because the afterlife is a spiritual world, and a spiritual world cannot be measured with physical instruments... but that does not mean it does not exist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Your opinion of me is noted Saint Fictional monster brought to life by an eponymously named doctor. I'll still listen to you if you have anything of substance to say. I don't really care about this SJW exchange. You keep doing you mate.

I'm not an "SJW". I'm just not an *******. I don't care about you, your opinions or what you choose to do after this. I was just trying to step in when I saw bullying. Now I'm done with you.

And my user name pertains to the doctor, not the monster.

 

[Vaderecta]

That is because the afterlife is a spiritual world, and a spiritual world cannot be measured with physical instruments... but that does not mean it does not exist.

Neverland can also not be measured by our physical science. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Princess bride is one of my favorite movies and masks are terribly comfortable. I think everyone will be wearing them in the future.

Ok I'll be serious for a sec... you are making an unfalsifiable claim. AKA Betrands Teapot. (Russell's teapot I guess Russell's teapot - Wikipedia)

You are free to believe in that but you have provided nothing for anyone else to agree with you. You might as well be discussing known fiction instead of ancient fiction you presume to be true.

 

[Vaderecta]

I'm not an "SJW". I'm just not an *******. I don't care about you, your opinions or what you choose to do after this. I was just trying to step in when I saw bullying. Now I'm done with you.

And my user name pertains to the doctor, not the monster.

Right. I already got that. And you described what I said. I said I did care about your views and you said the opposite. So we know where we both stand.

 

[Trailblazer]

Neverland can also not be measured by our physical science. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The Princess bride is one of my favorite movies and masks are terribly comfortable. I think everyone will be wearing them in the future.

Ok I'll be serious for a sec... you are making an unfalsifiable claim. AKA Betrands Teapot. (Russell's teapot I guess Russell's teapot - Wikipedia)

You are free to believe in that but you have provided nothing for anyone else to agree with you. You might as well be discussing known fiction instead of ancient fiction you presume to be true.

Being unfalsifiable has nothing to do with it. Just because it cannot be proven false does not mean it is not true, logically speaking.
Obviously there can be no physical evidence of a spiritual world... that is why we have mediums who can communicate with people on the other side and bring messages back.
I am not a medium but I am aware of the spiritual world since there is no real separation between this world and the spiritual world.

 

[Vaderecta]

Being unfalsifiable has nothing to do with it. Just because it cannot be proven false does not mean it is not true, logically speaking.
Obviously there can be no physical evidence of a spiritual world... that is why we have mediums who can communicate with people on the other side and bring messages back.
I am not a medium but I am aware of the spiritual world since there is no real separation between this world and the spiritual world.

We don't have mediums... There is no other side. I have no idea why you believe these things. This is all unproven nonsense and they usually disclose that in their businesses to protect them from being sued.

 

[Dell]

I was just wondering, since no one has reported on what it actually is. People just say it's a place your soul goes. Is it physical? Or is it ethereal? If the latter why recently are there questions that correlate to this current life, even remotely relevant to the afterlife. If it is a destination for souls then I'm guessing isn't physical.

The only think I can imagine would be close to 'heaven' would be a virtual world where any and all desires can be realized but not physically experienced. Although, new advances in technology may get us closer to feeling what happens to us in the digital realm.

But would such a place even grant you access to those desires when restriction of self in this world is part of the requirement to even get into heaven. What would have been the purpose of denial here if you had no restriction there? And once you get there can you still get banished to hell? There are so many questions. But a whole lot of it makes no sense.

All living conscience beings are naturally wired to fear death. The finality of death isn't understandable to the living, all of us naturally desire a continuation beyond that line. Living beyond death is as imaginative as faster than light travel. The most that can be hoped for in the far future is continuous living, meaning change out our old worn body parts for synthetic cybernetic parts until we migrate into a machine or download into a new body, or possibly change or DNA to stop aging. Extended lifespans will change us regardless, we will be as different as when we were children to when we were adults. Same identity but mentally two different people with faint memories of our human past experiences, our thinking and morals will change also.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Anyway, as regards to the afterlife, it's not physical. I view it as akin to a dreamscape. Indeed, I think dreams be visits to other planes of being and the dead can communicate with us that way. I've had experiences with deceased relatives in my dreams and it brought peace to that situation. I do not think that "heaven" or "hell" are good ways of looking at it, at least when taken more literally. I prefer more shamanic and experiential views of it, not dogmatism. Either way, I suppose we'll all find out one day.

 

[RedhorseWoman]

This is a subject I find to be quite fascinating. I was brought up to believe that there was no such thing as an afterlife, but rather that God would resurrect those who were faithful into a New System.

I continued to believe this even after leaving that religion, but then various things occurred in my life with regard to losing family members and friends that caused me to begin to rethink what I had been taught. I'm now trying to look further into some of these ideas to try to fit all the pieces together.