The assumptions behind evolution?

[metis]

Is a child that has serious birth defects and dies shortly after birth of "intelligent design"? or a miscarriage?

 

[AllanV]

Is a child that has serious birth defects and dies shortly after birth of "intelligent design"? or a miscarriage?

It is actually one piece of evidence that genetically from Adam entropy is operating in the cells and evolution will not work as a theory.
Mutations occur but most are not seen but a genetic line will only last a set number of generations.
The mind is a sum total of the whole organism. There is a potential to live forever non biologically but Adam brought sin into the world.
The power is available to heal but there are very few practitioners because of unbelief.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Is a child that has serious birth defects and dies shortly after birth of "intelligent design"? or a miscarriage?

It depends on how it was decided. If it was decided as a whole, in a reasoned and informed way, then it would be intelligent design. But if there is separate simple decision which results in the defect, apart from the decisions which result in the rest of the body, then it would not be.

 

[metis]

It is actually one piece of evidence that genetically from Adam entropy is operating in the cells and evolution will not work as a theory.

You're confusing your religious beliefs with science.

Mutations occur but most are not seen but a genetic line will only last a set number of generations.

Probably all or most of all the genes you now have were at one time mutations.

The mind is a sum total of the whole organism.

Simply not true. Even though they are integral, they are not the same.

There is a potential to live forever non biologically but Adam brought sin into the world.

We are genetically destined to die and we well know at this point that is actually is found in our genetic code. If we all lived forever, the planet would be overrun.

The power is available to heal but there are very few practitioners because of unbelief.

You are again confusing your religious beliefs with science..

 

[metis]

It depends on how it was decided. If it was decided as a whole, in a reasoned and informed way, then it would be intelligent design. But if there is separate simple decision which results in the defect, apart from the decisions which result in the rest of the body, then it would not be.

I can't make neither head nor hair over what you've written above, so let me put it this way: if God is behind "intelligent design", why would he create a child who has serious birth defects or is the product of a miscarriage?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Is a child that has serious birth defects and dies shortly after birth of "intelligent design"? or a miscarriage?

or both?

 

[McBell]

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You are loosing all your so called evidence of no design. Keep up.

Well, since yu have not presented anything but bold empty claims, I am not worried about losing all this evidence that has not been presented.

 

[AllanV]

You're confusing your religious beliefs with science.
Probably all or most of all the genes you now have were at one time mutations.

Simply not true. Even though they are integral, they are not the same.

We are genetically destined to die and we well know at this point that is actually is found in our genetic code. If we all lived forever, the planet would be overrun.

You are again confusing your religious beliefs with science..

Are you saying mutations are the gaining of information. That is not true. Where is your evidence to be able to say it is?

Are you saying the mind is outside the body?

Entropy is active in the human genetic code and the human species is at the end of its existence. There is evidence in behavior and invention that suggests the destructive processes in the cells is being played out in mankind's reality.

Human mythology brings evolution and scientific evidence is adjusted.

 

[LuisDantas]

Is a child that has serious birth defects and dies shortly after birth of "intelligent design"? or a miscarriage?

You know, were I not already an atheist, I think I would become one after learning of anencephaly.

If there is a God that somehow means for people to go through the birth of such unfortunate children, then he is not worth of any respect.

 

[shawn001]

Such research is a boon for evolution, not his argument. His point was a non-sequitur. Dreams would be real to the person in question. Observing the dream would make the dream a fact for this person which would make it not longer an opinion. However this does not mean the dream represents reality but a fiction within reality. Just as movies can be fiction while still being in reality does not mean reality is represented. Take Jupiter Ascending for example. A movie with facts about reality wrapped up by a layer of fiction. This does not mean the fiction represents reality. As per his views of fictional/reality comparison is flawed and pure sophistry to avoid his burden of proof and lack of explanatory power for his views.

Just pointing out that technology, not supporting his views.

 

[Midnight Rain]

I think there is some credible evidence but it is said to be biased but the idea we have now is already biased and set against the new evidence.

Yeah. Nothing that is credible has ever been brought forward.

It seems layers can be put down over weeks. The action around a large volcano cannot be underestimated. The volumes of material are large and they come out of the earth. The layers are put down. Trees are blown over and defoliated being sheared off at the ground and get caught in the layers.

The grand canyon must have been a rapid occurrence. A river would have to flow up hill in the beginning which is clearly impossible. The plateau must have acted like a dam and the initial flow cut the canyon. But how quickly the layers were put there is another question.

Layers were put in the grand Canyon well before the Grand Canyon was a canyon. Why do you think, however, that the grand canyon would have to flow uphill to have done it?

Geologic Formations - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

 

[shawn001]

Darwin put out a theory and with modern genetics and cellular biology it is proving impossible. In the last decade and even presently there is more relevant evidence.

Try to keep up.

The new human evolution website from the new 20+ million dollar museam hall at the smithsonian.

Evidence of Evolution
Scientists have discovered a wealth of evidence concerning human evolution, and this evidence comes in many forms. Thousands of human fossils enable researchers and students to study the changes that occurred in brain and body size, locomotion, diet, and other aspects regarding the way of life of early human species over the past 6 million years. Millions of stone tools, figurines and paintings, footprints, and other traces of human behavior in the prehistoric record tell about where and how early humans lived and when certain technological innovations were invented. Study of human genetics show how closely related we are to other primates – in fact, how connected we are with all other organisms – and can indicate the prehistoric migrations of our species, Homo sapiens, all over the world. Advances in the dating of fossils and artifacts help determine the age of those remains, which contributes to the big picture of when different milestones in becoming human evolved.



Exciting scientific discoveries continually add to the broader and deeper public knowledge of human evolution. Find out about the latest evidence in our What’s Hot in Human Origins section.

Behavior
Explore the evidence of early human behavior—from ancient footprints to stone tools and the earliest symbols and art – along with similarities and differences in the behavior of other primate species.

3D Collection
Explore our 3D collection of fossils and artifacts.

Human Fossils
From skeletons to teeth, early human fossils have been found of more than 6,000 individuals. Look into our digital 3-D collection and learn about fossil human species.

Genetics
Our genes offer evidence of how closely we are related to one another – and of our species’ connection with all other organisms.

Dating
The layers that contain fossils and archeological clues can be dated by more than a dozen techniques that use the basic principles of physics, chemistry, and Earth sciences. Some techniques can even estimate the age of the ancient teeth and bones directly. Advances in dating have made human evolution very exciting!


Human Evolution by The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program

One Species, Living Worldwide
The billions of human beings living today all belong to one species: Homo sapiens.

As in all species, there is variation among individual human beings, from size and shape to skin tone and eye color. But we are much more alike than we are different. We are, in fact, remarkably similar. The DNA of all human beings living today is 99.9% alike.

We all have roots extending back 200,000 years to the emergence of the first modern humans in Africa, and back more than 6 million years to the evolution of the earliest human species in Africa. This amazing story of adaptation and survival is written in the language of our genes, in every cell of our bodies—as well as in the fossil and behavioral evidence.

This ancient heritage is yours.

Explore the origins of modern humans in Africa about 200,000 years ago and celebrate our species’ epic journey around the world in this video: "One Species, Living Worldwide."

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/one-species-living- worldwide


a joint statement of IAP by 68 national and international science academies lists as established scientific fact that Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old and has undergone continual change; that life, according to the evidence of earliest fossils, appeared on Earth at least 3.8 billion years ago and has subsequently taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve; and that the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicates their common primordial origin



New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution

Homo sapiens originated in Africa 150,000 years ago and began to migrate 55,000 to 60,000 years ago. It is thought he arrived in Australia around 45,000 years before present (BP). Australia was, at the time, already colonised by homo erectus. This dispersal, from Africa to Australia through Arabia, Asia and the Malay peninsula, could have occurred at a rate of 1km per year. (Credit: Image courtesy of University Of Cambridge)

New Research Confirms 'Out Of Africa' Theory Of Human Evolution -- ScienceDaily



DNA Agrees With All the Other Science: Darwin Was Right

Molecular biologist Sean Carroll shows how evolution happens, one snippet of DNA at a time

One of the great triumphs of modern evolutionary science, evo devo addresses many of the key questions that were unanswerable when Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species in 1859, and Carroll has become a leader in this nascent field. Now a professor of molecular biology and genetics at the University of Wisconsin, he continues to decode the genes that control life’s physical forms and to explore how mutations in those genes drive evolutionary change. These days, Carroll also devotes increasing energy to telling the public about his field’s remarkable discoveries through a series of books—Endless Forms Most Beautiful, The Making of the Fittest, and the brand-new Remarkable Creatures. He spoke with DISCOVER senior editor Pamela Weintraub about what his work has taught him about Darwin, the nature of evolution, and how life really works.

It has been 150 years since Charles Darwin proposed his theory of evolution in On the Origin of Species, yet in some ways the concept of evolution seems more controversial than ever today. Why do you think that is?
It is a cultural issue, not a scientific one. On the science side our confidence grows yearly because we see independent lines of evidence converge. What we’ve learned from the fossil record is confirmed by the DNA record and confirmed again by embryology. But people have been raised to disbelieve evolution and to hold other ideas more precious than this knowledge. At the same time, we routinely rely on DNA to convict and exonerate criminals. We rely on DNA science for things like paternity. We rely on DNA science in the clinic to weigh our disease risks or maybe even to look at prognoses for things like cancer. DNA science surrounds us, but in this one realm we seem unwilling to accept its facts. Juries are willing to put people to death based upon the variations in DNA, but they’re not willing to understand the mechanism that creates that variation and shapes what makes humans different from other things. It’s a blindness. I think this is a phase that we’ll eventually get through. Other countries have come to peace with DNA. I don’t know how many decades or centuries it’s going to take us.

DNA Agrees With All the Other Science: Darwin Was Right | DiscoverMagazine.com





They Don't Make Homo Sapiens Like They Used To
Our species—and individual races—have recently made big evolutionary changes to adjust to new pressures.


They Don't Make Homo Sapiens Like They Used To | DiscoverMagazine.com


Hundreds of Human Genes Still Evolving

A comprehensive scan of the human genome finds that hundreds of our genes have undergone positive natural selection during the past 10,000 years of human evolution.


Hundreds of Human Genes Still Evolving

 

[AllanV]

The new human evolution website from the new 20+ million dollar museam hall at the smithsonian.

There is no atheistic evolutionist Darwinian who can except the fact it doesn't work and more study needs to be done with out bias.
There is a lot at stake and it is very difficult to take it all in, there needs to be a lot of study.

 

[AllanV]

Yeah. Nothing that is credible has ever been brought forward.

Layers were put in the grand Canyon well before the Grand Canyon was a canyon. Why do you think, however, that the grand canyon would have to flow uphill to have done it?

Geologic Formations - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

I have already said this is not my area of expertise if I still have any. Why are you asking me. There are scientists who are qualified but wouldn't bother coming on this forum, they have better things to do.
There are scientists who are expert in what they do and they are willing to take a risk by stating what their research shows. They understand this and are taking a view that it would be better to place all the facts, the evidence on the table and discuss it without name calling and ridicule from the atheistic establishment.

 

[shawn001]

There is no atheistic evolutionist Darwinian who can except the fact it doesn't work and more study needs to be done with out bias.
There is a lot at stake and it is very difficult to take it all in, there needs to be a lot of study.

"Darwin put out a theory and with modern genetics and cellular biology it is proving impossible. In the last decade and even presently there is more relevant evidence."

No your just plain wrong. Everyday evolution is put to the test and passes. As well as we are still evolving.

Your not going to win against evolution, its a done deal.

 

[AllanV]

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Well, since yu have not presented anything but bold empty claims, I am not worried about losing all this evidence that has not been presented.

Your presenting nothing of interest except as the thread says the assumptions behind evolution.

 

[AllanV]

"Darwin put out a theory and with modern genetics and cellular biology it is proving impossible. In the last decade and even presently there is more relevant evidence."

No your just plain wrong. Everyday evolution is put to the test and passes. As well as we are still evolving.

Your not going to win against evolution, its a done deal.

There is a community of scientists who see a design that cannot be ignored.

 

[Parsimony]

Are you saying mutations are the gaining of information. That is not true. Where is your evidence to be able to say it is?

How do you define information?

 

[shawn001]

There is a community of scientists who see a design that cannot be ignored.

"There is a community of scientists who see a design that cannot be ignored."

Nor should they be, but if they make a claim they have to prove it with science like everyone else, they don't get a special pass and that has not in anyway shape or form happened. In fact ALL the ones they tried were shown to be false. Part of the movement also has an agenda that is not about the science.

There is also from every branch of science a consensus on the science of evolution and its both a fact and a scientific theory.

AllanV you are totally ignoring information here that proves Evolution by your choice, again its a done deal. It doesn't matter what you believe, your belief doesn't change the facts.

 

[AllanV]

How do you define information?

There is a new invention where light is stopped and it is being developed for quantum memory storage.

Scientists ‘freeze’ light for an entire minute

At 26 years an experience of God showed that everything that exists is made to appear instantly. Knowing God is deeper and a little beyond the mind that is thought from.
The eternal God wears light as a garment,
Humans and every object have their being and presence in God. This is all in scriptures.

There is some way that we live in a creation and light and matter are something similar to a quantum memory storage.

The calls keeps going out where is God. God is revealed continuously but an atheist cant acknowledge it. Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy. This will show not only in the cells but in how he behaves and what he invents mentally and what he builds physically.