The assumptions behind evolution?

[shawn001]

There is a new invention where light is stopped and it is being developed for quantum memory storage.

Scientists ‘freeze’ light for an entire minute

At 26 years an experience of God showed that everything that exists is made to appear instantly. Knowing God is deeper and a little beyond the mind that is thought from.
The eternal God wears light as a garment,
Humans and every object have there being and presence in God. This is all in scriptures.

There is some way that we live in a creation and light and matter are something similar to a quantum memory storage.

The calls keeps going out where is God. God is revealed continuously but an atheist cant acknowledge it. Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy. This will show not only in the cells but in how he behaves and what he invents mentally and what he builds physically.

Its seems you would rather preach then address the information or questions.

"Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy."

The above cracks me up. That's one I hadn't heard before. Why not a flood? LOL

You don't understand evolution then want to go into QM. Do you believe in the theory of QM, because the theory of evolution has more facts to it, although QM is another basic foundation scientific theory. QM is going to really mess with your beliefs if you go down that road, way more then knowing about evolution.

 

[AllanV]

Its seems you would rather preach then address the information or questions.

"Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy."

The above cracks me up. That's one I hadn't heard before. Why not a flood? LOL

You don't understand evolution then want to go into QM. Do you believe in the theory of QM, because the theory of evolution has more facts to it, although QM is another basic foundation scientific theory. QM is going to really mess with your beliefs if you go down that road, way more then knowing about evolution.

"Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy."

When sin entered through Adam everything changed. The mind changed and the cells became susceptible to the oxidizing effects of the planet. Man ages and dies.

You believe in evolution perhaps the next step for survival is a mind change. Most species die out when the environment changes too quickly. The mental environment must change and Jesus has already done it.
I have experienced it that is why I am writing about it. It wasn't read from a book but the Bible has confirmed what was experienced.
There is something like a technology that will not be able to be used by a biologically developed predatory mind that we see operating with all behaviors.
All the ugly things happening now will destroy what has been achieved. It is already at a point of save your self.
If the assumption is that there is no God and evolution is the answer, is it the way forward.

 

[Parsimony]

There is a new invention where light is stopped and it is being developed for quantum memory storage.

Scientists ‘freeze’ light for an entire minute

At 26 years an experience of God showed that everything that exists is made to appear instantly. Knowing God is deeper and a little beyond the mind that is thought from.
The eternal God wears light as a garment,
Humans and every object have their being and presence in God. This is all in scriptures.

There is some way that we live in a creation and light and matter are something similar to a quantum memory storage.

The calls keeps going out where is God. God is revealed continuously but an atheist cant acknowledge it. Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy. This will show not only in the cells but in how he behaves and what he invents mentally and what he builds physically.

Where is the definition of information I asked for?

 

[AllanV]

Where is the definition of information I asked for?

Are you trying to keep me busy.

that from which knowledge and data can be derived.

In an experience of God much knowledge is received but it is for me and to rationalize an experience is not enough.

But the knowledge that man is acquiring and accumulating is turning out useless.

If it is thought about all the inventions that make it are exploited for gain with disregard for the planet. We do not have good technology.
It will end all life on this planet if there is no care,

 

[shawn001]

"Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy."

When sin entered through Adam everything changed. The mind changed and the cells became susceptible to the oxidizing effects of the planet. Man ages and dies.

You believe in evolution perhaps the next step for survival is a mind change. Most species die out when the environment changes too quickly. The mental environment must change and Jesus has already done it.
I have experienced it that is why I am writing about it. It wasn't read from a book but the Bible has confirmed what was experienced.
There is something like a technology that will not be able to be used by a biologically developed predatory mind that we see operating with all behaviors.
All the ugly things happening now will destroy what has been achieved. It is already at a point of save your self.
If the assumption is that there is no God and evolution is the answer, is it the way forward.

"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory."
~W. Edwards Deming



"If the assumption is that there is no God and evolution is the answer, is it the way forward"

First of all this

"assumption is that there is no God and evolution is the answer"

Is your personal assumption and is not based in actual reality.

That fact that EVERYTHING WE SEE EVOLVED from the big bang has nothing to do with a personal belief in any GOD. You equate the two, if you believe in the billions of facts for the scientific case for evolution then you don't and can't believe in God which is wrong to begin with in the first place. So that is a fallacy.

"There is something like a technology that will not be able to be used by a biologically developed predatory mind that we see operating with all behaviors."

What?

"You believe in evolution perhaps the next step for survival is a mind change"

As I posted above, and I believe you ignored is we are still evolving and our brains are still evolving, although shrinking for some reason.

The next evolutionary step for humankind is to move from human to kind. ~Author Unknown

 

[shawn001]

Are you trying to keep me busy.

that from which knowledge and data can be derived.

In an experience of God much knowledge is received but it is for me and to rationalize an experience is not enough.

But the knowledge that man is acquiring and accumulating is turning out useless.

If it is thought about all the inventions that make it are exploited for gain with disregard for the planet. We do not have good technology.
It will end all life on this planet if there is no care,

"But the knowledge that man is acquiring and accumulating is turning out useless."

You do know they invented the printing press and that is why you have a bible in the first place?

Your also saying this on a computer?

Your also saying that acquiring knowledge in say medicine to save lives is useless. So screw the sick?

Okay, we agree on something and that is the care of the planet and yes science helps us greatly with that as well. However, in this regard people and overpopulation is a major problem.

 

[shawn001]

Its a myth that Mutations only destroy information.

Evolution myths: Mutations can only destroy information

"
Can mutation really lead to the evolution of new species?

Yes. Several species of abalone shellfish have evolved due to mutations in the protein "key" on the surface of sperm that binds to a "lock" on the surface of eggs. This might appear impossible, but it turns out that some eggs are prepared to be penetrated by deviant sperm. The same thing can happen infruit flies, and likely in many other groups too. In yeasts, the mutations that led to some new species forming have not only been identified, they have even been reversed.

The list of examples could go on and on, but consider this. Most mutations can be reversed by subsequent mutations - a DNA base can be turned from an A to a G and then back to an A again, for instance. In fact, reverse mutation or "reversion" is common. For any mutation that results in a loss of information, logically, the reverse mutation must result in its gain. So the claim that mutations destroy information but cannot create it not only defies the evidence, it also defies logic."

Evolution myths: Mutations can only destroy information - life - 16 April 2008 - New Scientist

 

[AllanV]

"But the knowledge that man is acquiring and accumulating is turning out useless."

You do know they invented the printing press and that is why you have a bible in the first place?

Your also saying this on a computer?

Your also saying that acquiring knowledge in say medicine to save lives is useless. So screw the sick?

Okay, we agree on something and that is the care of the planet and yes science helps us greatly with that as well. However, in this regard people and overpopulation is a major problem.

I had all the information needed before the Bible was read. But it was good to have it as a reference and reproof.

The cost of technological improvements is taken for granted but is too great for many, and there are many cases of desperate people. The resources are being used up and only a few have access. We are well over the half way point for most resources and more people will put a lot of pressure on those remaining.

Some say atheism and evolution is really about eugenics.

 

[AllanV]

Its a myth that Mutations only destroy information.

Evolution myths: Mutations can only destroy information

"
Can mutation really lead to the evolution of new species?

John Sanford talks about the few that mutate positively but overall there is a small loss and the genetic line of man is in decline. Perhaps it is something to do with the mind and choices. Even choices of the manner in which people talk to each other. And choices of environment and what is taken from it.
But Knowing God may give a better outcome for a good life. It actually says that in the scriptures.

 

[Sapiens]

John Sanford talks about the few that mutate positively but overall there is a small loss and the genetic line of man is in decline. Perhaps it is something to do with the mind and choices. Even choices of the manner in which people talk to each other. And choices of environment and what is taken from it.
But Knowing God may give a better outcome for a good life. It actually says that in the scriptures.

John Stanford will unfortunately (considering the real contribution he made in his youth) die a drooling old fool only remembered for his farcical quackery. It is a shame, but there you have it. If you need an appeal to authority ... find one that has yet to lose his marbles.

 

[AllanV]

John Stanford will unfortunately (considering the real contribution he made in his youth) die a drooling old fool only remembered for his farcical quackery. It is a shame, but there you have it. If you need an appeal to authority ... find one that has yet to lose his marbles.

That is the most disgusting thing to say.
John Sanford talks in a well balanced manner. He doesn't make my skin crawl and the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

 

[Sapiens]

That is the most disgusting thing to say.
John Sanford talks in a well balanced manner. He doesn't make my skin crawl and the hair stand up on the back of my neck.

Perhaps that's a reflection on you?

Who would ever describe themselves as an Honorary Adjunct Associate Professor? If it were not so sad it'd be funny.

When you lay down with dogs like Dembski you should not be surprised to find that you have a few brain cells gone and a goodly case of fleas.

 

[Ouroboros]

More and more of the evidence is shown to be tainted by presumption by people who deny God.

No, that's wrong. There are plenty of theists in the science camp.

Molecular science can't admit it. All the branches of biology and genetics are showing evidence of design.

No, it's not. Plenty of evidence that evolution has gone through a process of randomness and selection. Not the best designs. There's a difference.

An experience of God shows that everything that is seen is made to appear instantly.

My experience of God is that Nature and God is the same and that it evolved through time.

We have our being and presence in God.

My presence in God is to be present in reality.

But mans mind is developed from a biological form that will die. Everyone is bonded in the mind by familiar ability to place emphasis on words to penetrate the subconscious and this then produces feelings. This is regarded as impure and predatory.
This must be hereditary and learned ability. There is something of a hypnotic suggestion taking place to perpetuate wrong ideas by ungodly people.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Can you rephrase it?

 

[Ouroboros]

There is a new invention where light is stopped and it is being developed for quantum memory storage.

Scientists ‘freeze’ light for an entire minute

That's very cool, indeed. Thank's for the link.

At 26 years an experience of God showed that everything that exists is made to appear instantly. Knowing God is deeper and a little beyond the mind that is thought from.
The eternal God wears light as a garment,
Humans and every object have their being and presence in God. This is all in scriptures.

I don't know how you get from "frozen" light to God made it appear instantly.

How do you freeze a supernova?

There is some way that we live in a creation and light and matter are something similar to a quantum memory storage.

So you make assumptions and wild assertions, and that somehow proves something?

The calls keeps going out where is God. God is revealed continuously but an atheist cant acknowledge it.

God is revealed in Nature. Nature and God is one. Just see your own links to scientific experiments somehow proving God. You're making the link yourself. God and Nature is one.

Because of unbelief there is a perpetual decay and degradation that will end man by genetic entropy. This will show not only in the cells but in how he behaves and what he invents mentally and what he builds physically.

So again, I asked earlier, we have the DNA from neanderthals and there's been no report of decay or degradation from them to us. Or can you provide a link where this has been tested and proven? It's all great to have a hypothesis or even a computer software, but what about the actual evidence we have?

 

[AllanV]

Perhaps that's a reflection on you?

Who would ever discribe themselves as an Honorary Adjunct Associate Professor? If it were not so sad it'd be funny.

He's just one person. He takes it all well enough but wants his and others' research discussed without a whole lot of emotive language and name calling.
It is always difficult with different ideas. I have had the same problem in my work but in a different field altogether.

 

[Ouroboros]

Some say atheism and evolution is really about eugenics.

Then "some" would be wrong.

 

[Sapiens]

He's just one person. He takes it all well enough but wants his and others' research discussed without a whole lot of emotive language and name calling.
It is always difficult with different ideas. I have had the same problem in my work but in a different field altogether.

There's an old saying, "It's good to keep on open mind, but not so far open that your brains fall out." That's the unfortunate story of Stanford in a nutshell ... his brains fell out. Unfortunately his current work does not deserve to be discussed. He no longer participates in scientific discourse, he is no longer in possession and control of the faculties he once possessed. I feel deeply sorry for him, but I can not excuse the time that he wastes and the damage he does.

 

[shawn001]

So he believes in de-evolution.

"
Devolution, de-evolution, or backward evolution is the notion that species can change into more "primitive" forms over time. In modern biology the term is redundant: evolutionary science deals with selection or adaptation that results in populations of organisms genetically different from their ancestral forms. The discipline makes no general distinction between changes leading to populations of forms less complex or more complex than their ancestors, and in such terms the concept of a primitive species cannot be defined consistently. Consequently, within the discipline such a word is rarely useful.

Current non-technical application of the concept of "devolution" is based largely on the fallacies that:

• in biology there is a preferred hierarchy of structure and function, and that
• evolution must mean "progress" to "more advanced" organisms with more complex structure and function.

Those errors in turn are related to two misconceptions: that:

• evolution is supposed to make species more "advanced", as opposed to "primitive"; and that
• modern species that have lost some of the functions or complexity of their ancestors must accordingly be degenerate forms. (Note however that degeneracy in this context has little to do with the current technical use of the term degeneracy in biology).

The term "devolution" and its associated concepts never were prominent in biology and now are at most of historical interest, except where they have been adopted by creationists.

John C. Sanford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Modern genetics can use back engineering of Gene's which is how they are working on creating a dinosaur from a chicken, although that has nothing to do with John's claim of de-evolution.

Published on Feb 9, 2013
Article: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03...

Renowned paleontologist Jack Horner has spent his career trying to reconstruct a dinosaur. He's found fossils with extraordinarily well-preserved blood vessels and soft tissues, but never intact DNA. So, in a new approach, he's taking living descendants of the dinosaur (chickens) and genetically engineering them to reactivate ancestral traits — including teeth, tails, and even hands — to make a "Chickenosaurus".

Hatching Dinosaurs, One Egg at a Time: http://www.wired.com/business/2011/03...

Why we're creating a 'chickenosaurus': http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/12...

Chickens have genes for making teeth:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/st...
http://animal.discovery.com/news/brie...

Feathered Dinosaurs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feathere...

Origin of Birds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_o...

 

[AllanV]

No, that's wrong. There are plenty of theists in the science camp.

No, it's not. Plenty of evidence that evolution has gone through a process of randomness and selection. Not the best designs. There's a difference.

My experience of God is that Nature and God is the same and that it evolved through time.

My presence in God is to be present in reality.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Can you rephrase it?

God is always the same and is an energizing Spirit.

God energizes every thing seen and gives the reality lived in but personal self belief makes a barrier to Knowing God.

Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
It is how a person talks to another that creates a problem. It comes from the mind and consciousness and this isn't easily understood. There is a subconscious bonding that cannot be let go of and it teaches responses.
The mind of man has to change for survival.

 

[Ouroboros]

God is always the same and is an energizing Spirit.

God energizes every thing seen and gives the reality lived in but personal self belief makes a barrier to Knowing God.

Mat 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
It is how a person talks to another that creates a problem. It comes from the mind and consciousness and this isn't easily understood. There is a subconscious bonding that cannot be let go of and it teaches responses.
The mind of man has to change for survival.

Can't see the relevance to the discussion about assumption behind evolution. :/