The Atheist Contradiction and Reasoning

[Luminous]

And where did your god gain the ability to understand and comprehend?

Response: Doesn't answer the OP.

a better question is: where did your god disgain the ability to not understand and to discomprehend?

 

[Luminous]

Response: If there is no proof of intelligent design, then you should be able to provide an answer to how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence. You have no logical answer. No one does, because there is none. Thus your non-answer alone is evidence which supports the proof of intelligent design.

all those paterns that exist in nature are evidence. they have no intelligent designer. sound waves and light waves are repeting patterns, they are EXTREMELY clearly not created by Intelligence. but to argue with your assumption is pointless, since you assume i am wrong and that everything has a desingner, exept for the ultimate designer in your assumption, which simple always existed in perfect "clean" order; but to the best of your knowledge other patterns need intellgence to design them. No one has a logical answer because it is not a logical question, it is a logical fallacy, a question that assums itself correct. iow: lets say i believed in Invisible Pink Unicorns...

 

[Luminous]

Response: Thus you've pointed out your problem from the start. You modified what I said, then responded. Thus your whole argument is flawed to begin with and refutes nothing, because you admitted, you're responding to your own modification, not my actual statement.

what is your actual statement?

 

[McBell]

what is your actual statement?

What you responded to.
Fatihah does not do so well with the English language.

 

[Luminous]

Response: DNA can not be an answer to how something is done. DNA can't be performed, so it can't possibly be an answer to "how" something is done. It's not a verb. Another example of the severely flawed logic by some atheists, as your answer clearly demonstrates.

falling, things can simple fall into a pattern. like dice or cards or coins or sticks or stones. btw: DNA was an 'example' not an answer. the way DNA organizes itself was the "how". but since your have no argument, just a statement that assumes itself correct you can simply jump to your conclusion that the way DNA organizes itself so "intelligentlessly" was designed. there truely is no argument to your statement, just like there is no argument to IPU.

 

[Luminous]

Response: To some extent. You would have to elaborate more on why you say that a pattern designed to repeat itself is not proof that it was designed by intelligence.

again, you assume that it repeats itself without seeable intelligence because of unseen intelligence. its a fallacy, and there is no way to argue against insanity. you are waisting everyone's time with your assumption. iow: "i cannot understand how windworks, but i can blow a sort of miniature wind on my hand, therefore an unseen giant is blowing his breath from the horrizon." that is not a scientific observation, its a personal (and childish) opinion.

 

[Luminous]

Emotions are more than chemical reactions.They are an energy that comes into the body.
This is why when people get mad they have tantrums and hit things to expel the energy.
People also have nervous habits(leg shakes etc..) which is the body using up and ridding itself of energy that doesn't belong and is trapped. Feelings are caused by energy that we allow into the body.
Don't let science blind common sense.

NO
people do not fall asleep because magical chakra energy leaves the body, they fall asleep because of chemicals... people have tantrums because the chemicals from clearly understood bodily glands are released. People have nervous habits because they are nervous and release chemicals that cause the leg to shake. the energy that is used is energy the body aquired naturally through consumption and breathing. Feelings are caused by stimuli. dont let simplicity and ignorance and imagination cloud reality.

 

[Luminous]

I would rather be open to reality then to be limited to any one particular method.The more tools you bring to the job the better.

yes, im sure that this is very true and that you are not perpetuating the stereotype of christian hypocracy. be open to reality and do not be limited to one particular method...come a Universalist or something lol. the more tools you bring to the job, the less room there is to do it, the more you have wasted, and the more you have exagerated.

 

[Wotan]

"If there is no proof of intelligent design, then you should be able to provide an answer to how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence"

So you have never drawn a pair of deuces more than once?

 

[McBell]

"If there is no proof of intelligent design, then you should be able to provide an answer to how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence"

So you have never drawn a pair of deuces more than once?

Me?
Hell no.
My drawing skills are like non-existent.

I mean, I cannot even draw a recognizable stick figure.

 

[Luminous]

"If there is no proof of intelligent design, then you should be able to provide an answer to how a pattern which repeats itself can be designed without intelligence"

So you have never drawn a pair of deuces more than once?

OMG dont you know??? those dice were designed!!!!

im telling everyone, there is no arguing against a logical fallacy,
Light waves- shmight waves! they aren't prove because they were designed too. :sarcastic

 

[DarkSun]

I'd just like to clarify to someone who fruballed my post that I'm not an atheist.

Cheers.

 

[Kerr]

Response: The ability to understand and comprehend.

In which form? Emotional? Mathematical intelligence? Intelligence has many aspects.

But I guess that is irrelevant for your question. The thing is you are asking about something that is done by human hands. It is like using computer programs to prove that someone "programmed" us.

And sorry for the late response, I sort of forgot and even forgot what I meant by asking you to define intelligence... but I am sure I meant something, lol.

 

[Kerr]

I'd just like to clarify to someone who fruballed my post that I'm not an atheist.

Cheers.

Does it matter? A good post is a good post after all.

 

[DarkSun]

Does it matter? A good post is a good post after all.

Haha, no, it doesn't really matter. I just thought I'd clarify. Thanks.

 

[Walkntune]

NO
people do not fall asleep because magical chakra energy leaves the body, they fall asleep because of chemicals... people have tantrums because the chemicals from clearly understood bodily glands are released. People have nervous habits because they are nervous and release chemicals that cause the leg to shake. the energy that is used is energy the body aquired naturally through consumption and breathing. Feelings are caused by stimuli. dont let simplicity and ignorance and imagination cloud reality.

When people have tantrums chemicals from understood bodily glands may be released.
I say prove that the chemical reaction is not the brain responding to the emotion and signalling information to the body in how to respond. Prove its not an effect instead of a cause.
If it is caused by chemical reaction then what force caused the chemical reaction?Afterall thoughts are not energy are they? It takes an energy to cause a force and energy is neither created or destroyed.Don't forget the actions from your tantrum are also energy and will continue changing in and out of form as it goes into what ever you decide to take or release this negative energy out on.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

When people have tantrums chemicals from understood bodily glands may be released.
I say prove that the chemical reaction is not the brain responding to the emotion and signalling information to the body in how to respond. Prove its not an effect instead of a cause.
If it is caused by chemical reaction then what force caused the chemical reaction?Afterall thoughts are not energy are they? It takes an energy to cause a force and energy is neither created or destroyed.Don't forget the actions from your tantrum are also energy and will continue changing in and out of form as it goes into what ever you decide to take or release this negative energy out on.

Here's an idea: Rather than just assuming that this is how the body and it's functions work, why don't you actually go out and look to see if there is a scientific answer to these issues that is already known; because I think you'll find that there is.

Assuming the answer is magic when the answer clearly isn't is not knowledge - it's self-enforced ignorance.

 

[Walkntune]

Here's an idea: Rather than just assuming that this is how the body and it's functions work, why don't you actually go out and look to see if there is a scientific answer to these issues that is already known; because I think you'll find that there is.

Assuming the answer is magic when the answer clearly isn't is not knowledge - it's self-enforced ignorance.

When it comes to the science of emotions and mental health science has failed miserably.

 

[Revoltingest]

When it comes to the science of emotions and mental health science has failed miserably.

That's really not a valid criticism, given that the nature of science is to be in a constant state of failure, as old theories are
discarded for newer, more useful ones. Certainly there is much still to learn about brain function & maladies, but great
progress has been made. Examples: the chemistry of addiction, the organization of memory storage, brain development,
the nature of vision, etc, etc. These are areas where we've learned things which sacred books don't even address. Think
of how wonderful a tool MRI has been to actually see which parts of the brain play in various functions...just amazing.

 

[Walkntune]

That's really not a valid criticism, given that the nature of science is to be in a constant state of failure, as old theories are discarded for newer, more useful ones.

In all honesty, what's the point of standing on a theory that may and most likely will be discarded for a more useful one?
I can see being open to it's possibility but we should always be open to understanding the universe without making it subject to our laws.
“Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.”Tesla
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."Einstein
Both of these great scientists had this view and there intuitive minds took them past what their logical minds could see.
They both observed the universe as what it is instead of what their logical minds told them it should be.

My view on science is its a perfectly sound method and it's only fault is the fact it's a method used by humans.