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The Atheist Contradiction and Reasoning
- Thread starter Fatihah
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Response: That doesn't answer the question. If you want to know about islam, you can start a thread in the DIR forum.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
The question about emotion and the brain has been thoroughly answered about a dozen times now. As for the second queston, no it cannot. I am sure this is the answer you have been waiting for so whatever you have been waiting to say can now be said.
A room, which is by definition something designed and built by people, can not come to be without people to design it. So?
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
So, let's get this straight. When you answer questions with questions, that's legit; if other people answer questions with questions,it isn't. Do I have you right so far?Originally Posted by Fatihah
Response: Your answering my question with questions, which doesn't answer the question.
We have more senses that just sight. We can feel emotions. In fact, the term "emotion" describes the feeling itself. We can't feel God in the same way.
Anyone can take a few handfuls of seeds, scatter them randomly on the ground, and in a short time have something that's just as beautiful as the Mona Lisa, while at the same time has a pattern that was completely undesigned.
You don't need any intentional designer to create something as beautiful as a waterfall; just randomly undulating terrain, some water to fall as rain, and time.
Response: Can a system or process which repeats a pattern be designed without intelligence? For example, the desingn of a checker board, or the way a watch tells time, repeating the same number pattern, etc.?
Response: That doesn't answer the question.
Response: Again, that doesn't answer the question.
Yes, DNA and RNA are self replicating
Maybe you can give us a hint about what sort of answer you're looking for?
Yes. For example, a pulsar emits EM radiation at such a regular frequency that when they were first detected, some astronomers took them to be radio beacons.
For another example, we can find very regular patterns in the surface of sand dunes that are formed only by the action of wind on the sand: Sand Pattern Pictures, Sand Pattern Photos, Photo Gallery, Picture Gallery, Desktop Wallpaper â National Geographic
There are many examples of undesigned patterns in nature.
You're right. It's not meant to answer your question; it's meant to show that your question was the wrong one to ask.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
There are plenty of 'patterns' in nature, as we perceive it. A pattern doesn't have to be 'designed' to exist, and if you feel natural patterns (such as say, a snowflake) are not naturally occurring the onus is on you to provide evidence otherwise.
There is a pattern to the earths revolution around the sun. Every 365.242199 days it repeats. There is no otherworldly explanation required to know this.
There is a pattern to the earths revolution around the sun. Every 365.242199 days it repeats. There is no otherworldly explanation required to know this.
Response: And how can a pattern be designed to repeat itself without intelligence? Can you create a pattern which repeats itself without using intelligence? If so, what?
"Life."
Response: "Life"?
Crystals. Planetary orbits. Ocean waves. Lots of things.
Response: Doesn't answer the question, but thanks anyway.
A biological life-form is a pattern that repeats itself over time without an intelligence behind it.
Some people use the word "designed" to mean implicitly that there is an intelligence behind patterning; but in the larger picture "patterning" is an observation.
"Look, it happened again! *snap* ...and again! ...and again!" Isn't that neat.
Patterns are not made by the maker, be it nature or "God". We make them, the observer. We see patterns not because they are there, but because we see.
lupus
Member
I'm an epilepsy specialist nurse and have witnessed on frequent occasions patients having non-convulsive seizures which manifest themselves as aggressive or over-excited or over emotional behaviours such as physically attacking other people, running round a room screaming/singing and crying uncontrollably. In many cases these seizures occur when the person is having an EEG test carried out which shows brain activity and how it changes during seizure activity. These people have damage to areas of the brain which controls these emotions and therefore when seizure activity occurs they show 'emotions'.
My point is that it is possible for a person to show 'emotions' without actually being fully concious due to damage to the brain. If emotions were purely related to 'spiritual' (ie their soul) as oppsoed to physical (ie their brain) then the seizures I described above would not occur. How could someone show emotions when they are not concious?
My point is that it is possible for a person to show 'emotions' without actually being fully concious due to damage to the brain. If emotions were purely related to 'spiritual' (ie their soul) as oppsoed to physical (ie their brain) then the seizures I described above would not occur. How could someone show emotions when they are not concious?