The Atheist Delusion

[Polymath257]

We're not talking about organisms, we're talking about cats, dogs, monkeys, humans . . .

Not initially we aren't. Cats, dogs, and such were *much* later developments than circulatory systems. if you want to look at when circulatory systems were first formed, they were in very simple organisms, not in cats, dogs, monkeys, and humans.

This is probably one of your difficulties with evolution. You seem to think that there were cats *before* there were hearts. In fact, hearts were around *long* before there were even vertebrates.

 

[Polymath257]

I've done that here at least three times. I get ridicule, scorn, and links for answers. Enough reading material to last till Christmas.

Well, if you aren't interesting in learning, why ask the questions?

 

[suncowiam]

You expect everyone to watch an hour long video?

I mean, we're that bored at work to goof around in a discussion board... But, we're not that bored at work.

 

[Willamena]

Why not? We have been far more reliable than any of your sources. And there was only one "stooge" in that video. It is rather amazing that you did not see him.

Was it Curly? I like Curly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Was it Curly? I like Curly.

I like Curly too. He was my favorite stooge. Soitanly! If he was balding he would look a bit more like Larry.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

It's sort of enlightening watching these atheist pressed for answers with simple questions. Like they've been indoctrinated up to a point which they accept and they are lost beyond that simple point. Then he starts talking about Hell. Pity.

The very first question is easily refuted. If everything was intelligently designed, then who designed the designer? And who designed that designer? And so on. I will watch the rest of this hilarious comedy and post back whenever I have the time to have a good laugh.

By the way, Ray Comfort is the same buffoon who thought the banana was designed by a higher power to fit perfectly into the human hand.

 

[Earthling]

The very first question is easily refuted. If everything was intelligently designed, then who designed the designer? And who designed that designer? And so on. I will watch the rest of this hilarious comedy and post back whenever I have the time to have a good laugh.

By the way, Ray Comfort is the same buffoon who thought the banana was designed by a higher power to fit perfectly into the human hand.

As for the designer having to have been designed, you have to draw the line someplace no matter which way you go. It all boils down to nothing. Or something designed.

 

[Earthling]

Well, if you aren't interesting in learning, why ask the questions?

Why not?

 

[Subduction Zone]

As for the designer having to have been designed, you have to draw the line someplace no matter which way you go. It all boils down to nothing. Or something designed.

Until there is evidence for a designer the logical approach is to not assume that a designer exists.

 

[Earthling]

Not initially we aren't. Cats, dogs, and such were *much* later developments than circulatory systems. if you want to look at when circulatory systems were first formed, they were in very simple organisms, not in cats, dogs, monkeys, and humans.

This is probably one of your difficulties with evolution. You seem to think that there were cats *before* there were hearts. In fact, hearts were around *long* before there were even vertebrates.

How do you know this? You read it in a book, correct? Someone made it up and it became science, Correct? Someone took a simple organism that seemed to apply and connected the dots, correct? And then everyone agreed on it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you know this? You read it in a book, correct? Someone made it up and it became science, Correct? Someone took a simple organism that seemed to apply and connected the dots, correct? And then everyone agreed on it?

It appears that you are not willing to even try to learn. Even if you do not know who you are talking about it is a breaking of the Ninth Commandment to make accusations against someone that you cannot support.

Why not try to learn how the science is done instead of posting gross strawmen.

 

[Polymath257]

How do you know this? You read it in a book, correct? Someone made it up and it became science, Correct? Someone took a simple organism that seemed to apply and connected the dots, correct? And then everyone agreed on it?

No, someone actually studied the real world and told others what was discovered. That isn't the same as 'making something up'.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

As for the designer having to have been designed, you have to draw the line someplace no matter which way you go. It all boils down to nothing. Or something designed.

So, if we follow your logic, everything except the designer is designed. Whereas the designer popped into existence from nothing, right? Why can't the universe have popped from nothing all on it's own? Atheists are just removing the middleman and drawing the line just one step before you seem to do.

Even if we assume there's a designer, why should this designer be worshipped? Surely you don't go about worshipping the designer of, let's say, a handbag?

 

[Milton Platt]

I've done that here at least three times. I get ridicule, scorn, and links for answers. Enough reading material to last till Christmas.

I will be happy to answer you without ridicule and if you don’t need supporting evidence, I will not provide the links

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

How do you know this? You read it in a book, correct? Someone made it up and it became science, Correct? Someone took a simple organism that seemed to apply and connected the dots, correct? And then everyone agreed on it?

Yup. Newton made up gravity. Before he made it up, everyone was floating around aimlessly.

 

[Earthling]

Yup. Newton made up gravity. Before he made it up, everyone was floating around aimlessly.

We're not talking about gravity we're talking about evolution.

 

[Earthling]

I will be happy to answer you without ridicule and if you don’t need supporting evidence, I will not provide the links

In your own words? Without mentioning God? I don't mind linking to supporting evidence through links, but I don't have time to read various dissertations on the subject. Just provide the link WITH a small portion of text which is applicable. That way I have the pertinent information readily available and the link back if I need further information or need to check the source. I'm not big on sources, though, it doesn't matter to me if Einstein or Patrick from Spongebobsquarepants said the thing, but rather what is being said.

You don't mind respectful questions? Do you know the stuff?

If so, let's do it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We're not talking about gravity we're talking about evolution.

The subject is science.

 

[Earthling]

So, if we follow your logic, everything except the designer is designed. Whereas the designer popped into existence from nothing, right?

Not exactly. The creator Jehovah God existed without beginning. Outside of time, which naturally only came about through the creation of the universe. And yes, this is a difficult thing to wrap one's mind around, but what are the alternatives. Eventually you end up with something coming from nothing randomly, or accidentally.

Why can't the universe have popped from nothing all on it's own? Atheists are just removing the middleman and drawing the line just one step before you seem to do.

If the Bible claims to be the uninspired translation of the inspired word of the creator a claim has been made. I hear tell atheists in these parts investigate claims. I don't believe they've done a very good job with the Bible.

Even if we assume there's a designer, why should this designer be worshipped? Surely you don't go about worshipping the designer of, let's say, a handbag?

Define worshiping? What does it mean? Who does it benefit?

 

[Polymath257]

We're not talking about gravity we're talking about evolution.

And what do you think that means? We have observed the essentials: change in genetics over generations, reproductive isolation, development of new characteristics. We have the fossils showing the changes in the past.