The avoidability of war

[Estro Felino]

I believe war is something absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.
It's a stage of evolution a civilization goes through. And once a civilization evolves from that stage, they think of war as something absolutely horrific and disgusting.
Something that belongs to the animalistic stage of mankind.

On April 25 and May 8, Italy and Germany, celebrate the end of the war, respectively. A day called Liberation Day.
Liberation from the dictatorship, but especially from the horrors of war and genocide.

I think that my country will never fight a war any more. So it's absolutely scary that someone speaks of war in the 21st century, as if it were possible that a civilization could de-evolve.

 

[Stevicus]

I believe war is something absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.
It's a stage of evolution a civilization goes through. And once a civilization evolves from that stage, they think of war as something absolutely horrific and disgusting.
Something that belongs to the animalistic stage of mankind.

On April 25 and May 9, Italy and German, celebrate the end of the war, respectively. A day called Liberation Day.
Liberation from the dictatorship, but especially from the horrors of war and genocide.

I think that my country will never fight a war any more. So it's absolutely scary that someone speaks of war in the 21st century, as if it were possible that a civilization could de-evolve.

War can come from many causes, although one thing that seems common to all wars is human stubbornness and egotistical posturing. It's marked by a refusal to negotiate or compromise - and a refusal to sit down and discuss their differences like reasonable, civilized human beings. The key to warmongering is shutting down the lines of communication.

 

[Estro Felino]

War can come from many causes, although one thing that seems common to all wars is human stubbornness and egotistical posturing. It's marked by a refusal to negotiate or compromise - and a refusal to sit down and discuss their differences like reasonable, civilized human beings. The key to warmongering is shutting down the lines of communication.

I consider myself lucky.
Because my people understood the brutality of war, being on the losing side of WW2.
The Russians, being on the winning side, think war is something always positive because it reminds them of victory.
And they still want to fight that war, after one year of bloodbaths.
They have learnt nothing.

 

[Kfox]

I believe war is something absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.
It's a stage of evolution a civilization goes through. And once a civilization evolves from that stage, they think of war as something absolutely horrific and disgusting.
Something that belongs to the animalistic stage of mankind.

On April 25 and May 8, Italy and Germany, celebrate the end of the war, respectively. A day called Liberation Day.
Liberation from the dictatorship, but especially from the horrors of war and genocide.

I think that my country will never fight a war any more. So it's absolutely scary that someone speaks of war in the 21st century, as if it were possible that a civilization could de-evolve.

I think you are looking at the world through rose colored glasses. To suggest a world without the possibility of war is akin to suggesting a world without the possibility of hatred, evil, or injustice; it will never exist.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think you are looking at the world through rose colored glasses. To suggest a world without the possibility of war is akin to suggesting a world without the possibility of hatred, evil, or injustice; it will never exist.

It does exist. European countries have never been at war with each other. Since 1945.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe war is something absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.
It's a stage of evolution a civilization goes through. And once a civilization evolves from that stage, they think of war as something absolutely horrific and disgusting.
Something that belongs to the animalistic stage of mankind.

On April 25 and May 8, Italy and Germany, celebrate the end of the war, respectively. A day called Liberation Day.
Liberation from the dictatorship, but especially from the horrors of war and genocide.

I think that my country will never fight a war any more. So it's absolutely scary that someone speaks of war in the 21st century, as if it were possible that a civilization could de-evolve.

War happens when one country attacks another.
The attacker could avoid war by not waging it.
The attacked country has less liberty to choose.
This is because self defense is extremely compelling.
Essentially, you're arguing to avoid war by giving up,
& submitting to an attack. That's unreasonable.

Is this thread about wanting Ukraine to hand over
its country to Putin, so that he can expand his
post-Soviet anti-gay anti-western Christian empire?

 

[Revoltingest]

It does exist. European countries have never been at war with each other. Since 1945.

I suppose this depends upon who you include in "European".
Would it include Crimea, Belarus & Ukraine?

 

[Estro Felino]

War happens when one country attacks another.
The attacker could avoid war by not waging it.
The attacked country has less liberty to choose.
This is because self defense is extremely compelling.
Essentially, you're arguing to avoid war by giving up,
& submitting to an attack. That's unreasonable.

What we Italians did in 1943, when the Allies landed in Sicily. When a power is superior, one surrenders.

Ukraine is a fly compared to Russia. It's like Luxembourg wanted to defeat Germany.

 

[Estro Felino]

I suppose this depends upon who you include in "European".
Would it include Crimea, Belarus & Ukraine?

I meant the European Union, of course.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I believe war is something absolutely unnecessary and avoidable.
It's a stage of evolution a civilization goes through. And once a civilization evolves from that stage, they think of war as something absolutely horrific and disgusting.
Something that belongs to the animalistic stage of mankind.

On April 25 and May 8, Italy and Germany, celebrate the end of the war, respectively. A day called Liberation Day.
Liberation from the dictatorship, but especially from the horrors of war and genocide.

I think that my country will never fight a war any more. So it's absolutely scary that someone speaks of war in the 21st century, as if it were possible that a civilization could de-evolve.

War is hardwired in nature. It's impossible to avoid in any permanent sense. However I think its possible for protracted periods of peace between conflicts to lengthen.

 

[Revoltingest]

What we Italians did in 1943, when the Allies landed in Sicily. When a power is superior, one surrenders.

Italy sided with Hitler to war against other countries.
But it was indeed wise to accept defeat.

Ukraine is a fly compared to Russia. It's like Luxembourg wanted to defeat Germany.

Russia...a large but weak country filled with idiots,
fascists, deluded patriots, nostalgic commies, & too
few honorable people willing to oppose the unjust
war on Ukraine.
The fly is kicking Russian butt.
Tis Russia who should surrender,
for both moral & practical reasons.

 

[Estro Felino]

War is hardwired in nature. It's impossible to avoid in any permanent sense. However I think its possible for protracted periods of peace between conflicts to lengthen.

The mere notion of war makes me puke.
I recall, as a teenager, there was this NATO base, called Sigonella, which was filled with young American soldiers.
We got along, we were friends. My sister especially.
When things got heated in the ME, I knew some of them had to fly to Iraq. And we didn't know if we would see them again.
The idea that those people, who had become our friends could die in a stupid war that had nothing to do with us, disheartened me immensely. And made me hate war. I'd rather be executed than choose war as a solution.

 

[Estro Felino]

Italy sided with Hitler to war against other countries.
But it was indeed wise to accept defeat.

May I kindly remind you that Russia was fighting against Hitler, too?
Now Russia has become the bad guy?
Come on.
That's illogical.
It doesn't add up. Can't you see that?

Russia...a large but weak country filled with idiots,
fascists, deluded patriots, nostalgic commies, & a
very few honorable people who oppose the unjust
war on Ukraine.
The fly is kicking Russian butt.
Tis Russia who should surrender,
for both moral & practical reasons.

...and because Soros sides with Ukrainians.
Soros is 96 years old. He will be tried someday. But in a Heavenly Tribunal. Not in a worldly one.

 

[Revoltingest]

I meant the European Union, of course.

Give'm time....they've been at each other's throats before.
History tends to repeat.

 

[Revoltingest]

May I kindly remind you that Russia was fighting against Hitler, too?

And may I remind you that Russia initially sided with Hitler.
What a wonderful country that is...brutal murderous socialism,
and siding with Nazis to divide up the world. Now attacking
its neighbors in violent conquest. Russia sucks.
Hitler only lost his luster in Russia when he turned on them.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What we Italians did in 1943, when the Allies landed in Sicily. When a power is superior, one surrenders.

Ukraine is a fly compared to Russia. It's like Luxembourg wanted to defeat Germany.

Ukraine is currently winning it's defensive war against Russia's forces.

So, your point is... that weaker countries should all automatically submit to larger ones, despite any assistance they may receive?

 

[Estro Felino]

Give'm time....they've been at each other's throats before.
History tends to repeat.

It turns out in France they want to guillotine the greedy managers of economy...
not fellow Europeans.
The élites is the new enemy in Europe.

 

[Estro Felino]

So, your point is... that weaker countries should all automatically submit to larger ones, despite any assistance they may receive?

Compromise is always better than a bloodbath, a massacre.
With time anything can happen.

 

[Estro Felino]

And may I remind you that Russia initially sided with Hitler.
What a wonderful country that is...brutal murderous socialism,
and siding with Nazis to divide up the world. Now attacking
its neighbors in violent conquest. Russia sucks.
Hitler only lost his luster in Russia when he turned on them.

Russia is wicked only if American Eagle says that?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

May I kindly remind you that Russia was fighting against Hitler, too?

German-Soviet Pact

The German-Soviet Pact paved the way for the joint invasion and occupation of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in September 1939.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

Now Russia has become the bad guy?

Come on.

Yes. Believe it or not, a country can be on the right side of one conflict and the wrong side of another conflict.

Unbelievable though it may sound.

That's illogical.
It doesn't add up. Can't you see that?

Literally "How can any country that fought against the Nazis possibly subsequently do anything bad??"

So, I guess America can do no wrong, then? So they're right when they support their allies in Ukraine, yes?

...and because Soros sides with Ukrainians.
Soros is 96 years old. He will be tried someday. But in a Heavenly Tribunal. Not in a worldly one.

Conspiratorial nonsense.