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The avoidability of war

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Russia's war crimes and human rights violations established that.

Being pro Russia = pro child torture, rape, murder, and trafficking.
You've fallen for western propaganda.
St Putin would neve allow such crimes.
He's a good Orthodox Christian who's trying to save
Russia from the existential threat posed by gays,
atheists, decadence, libertines, jazz, & George Soros.
OIP.US4Tl9BYkxmLXfnT4Rr_TgAAAA
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Russia is wicked only and when the Majestic, Flawless American Eagle says that.
Understood.
Very very little is understood by you, it seems.

Like in matters of history and rhetoric.

For example, the strawman argument (" majestic, flawless") only shows the user to be foolish and
without substance.

I'm no fangirl of the USA, it's a sadly flawed
nation with a checkered history.

But I'm realistic about their role and standing
in the world.

IF a China/Russia axis were to succeed in
neutering the US, well- lots of scenarios.

You wouldn't like any of them.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
All Europeans will go extinct.
Replaced by much more prolific peoples from Asia and Africa.
Whether or not that is so alters not that
Italy is poor and weak, unable to make war,
not now so wohe and evolved as to be too
wonderful to do something so nasty.

Your claim was ridiculous, adding more
absurdity doesnt help.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
IOW, when Italy realized they lost the war,
they switched to the winning side.
(Now they love Putin...for the moment.)
I give Italy no credit for amoral pragmatism.

So, they were smart enough to have a mutiny before their captain wrecked the ship. In other times and places, it was suicidal blind obedience to the very end.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Opinions are best when connected to reality.

Little colonies in the New World defeated
the mightiest empire the world has ever
known.

The Vietnamese defeated the USA. After defeating the French and Chinese.

Afghanistan defeated the British, Russians
and Americans.

And Egypt defeated the Mongols!

Never underestimate the resolve of people defending their nation from an aggressor. I support Ukraine's refusal to surrender to an imperialist war criminal.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You've fallen for western propaganda.
St Putin would neve allow such crimes.
He's a good Orthodox Christian who's trying to save
Russia from the existential threat posed by gays,
atheists, decadence, libertines, jazz, & George Soros.
OIP.US4Tl9BYkxmLXfnT4Rr_TgAAAA
They hate LGBT people, so it's quite odd that they would have apologists among them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Indeed. So they didn't have a choice.
They obey the US.
You over-estimate US power.
But it's attractive to Germany to belong
to NATO, & have US protection. We're
the only country with nuclear weapon
parity with Putin's Russia. Germany is
weak, & needs us.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So, they were smart enough to have a mutiny before their captain wrecked the ship. In other times and places, it was blind obedience to the very end.
An evil little country does something smart,
& abandons evil for the moment.
A small victory.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You over-estimate US power.
But it's attractive to Germany to belong
to NATO, & have US protection. We're
the only country with nuclear weapon
parity with Putin's Russia. Germany is
weak, & needs us.

Russians have never done anything bad to the Germans. They built a pipeline and gave them cheap methane.
The Americans destroyed that pipeline.

So saying Americans are "friends" with the Germans, defies logic. It's twisted.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
We are a very proud nation.
You don't understand the Italians' psychology.

When someone disses Italy, Italians feel prouder because they think it's envy that drives the dissing.
I don't envy a weak little country that was Hitler's ally.
And Italy further disgusts me...
I have my complaints about USA, but you
needn't worry about my ever moving to Italy.
(Italians wouldn't want me anyway.)
 
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