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the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.

blü 2

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who is 666? bible quotes:
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:18)
What test will tell us whether any candidate is "the beast" or not? I don't know how many phone numbers around the world include the successive figures 666 but it must be enough to make that kind of ID meaningless, mustn't it?
gematria is a calculation, a number from a name, a word, a phrase. every letter has a number allocated. the amount of all numbers is the number allocated to that word. if in latin alphabet, you allocate to the letter z, the number 1
Why? What stops you allocating the numbers by drawing them from a hat every time?
nero is the only famous person with the number 666.
No, you're framing him.

His birth name was Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus.

His ruling name was Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

And while I can't be bothered working out what they'd add up to under your system, neither of them yields 666.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not;
Does that mean 'was not and is not' or 'used to be but isn't any more'?
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
Obviously not out of the bottom of it then. Does it have ladders, or a circular way like an open-cut mine?
and go into perdition
Perdition is the condition of being lost. But in reality, every lost person is somewhere; where is perdition in this instance? It can't be the bottomless pit because the beast wouldn't be lost there.
: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)
Is Donald Trump the beast?
what similarities have hitler and nero?
Neither is in any danger of being mistaken for the other.
both they fought jews
I remember he was said to have blamed the Christians for the great fire in Rome. What specifically did he do against the Jews?
both they killed themselves after they lost the war
Nero didn't lose a war. He lost the political support of the power brokers, notably those in the army. And as far as I know, Hitler couldn't play a lyre to save his life.
both were the biggest killers in the history of humanity
Neither of them got anywhere near the numbers who've died in plagues, famines, and so on. The influenza epidemic 1919, say some estimates, killed more people than WW1 did, for instance.
nero killed paul and peter
There's no evidence that Nero ever heard of either of them.
darwin, the first beast:
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Revelation 13:3)
wasn't darwin sick all his life and almost healed in his old age?
No. Darwin had only the standard issue number of heads, it was never 'wounded to death', he never had a deadly wound that healed. Again you're framing him.
: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (Revelation 13:4)
The only people who've made war on Darwin are fundamentalists, and then only metaphorically. Oddly, for all their bluster and 'creation science' they've never even once put the tiniest scientific scratch on the theory of evolution, and they've had over 160 years to get it right.
who can fight darwin?
Who wants to fight Darwin? What if the theory of evolution is correct, despite your distaste for it?
 
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Shadow Wolf

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What is to win? Darwin already broke many of the shackles that ensared us in superstition. Evolution is accepted as fact in most of the world. The only thing thatvwill eventually change with that is places like America and Turkey will eventually come into the 21st century amd accept evolution as fact.
if the most evil is not 666 than who?
Thats just a number, and nkt even the original number the Bible originally states. You're looking for something that isn't there, even according to the Bible.

 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
he wanted to escape from God
The concept of god and the theory of evolution are not mutually exclusive. Also, literal interpretations in creation myths aren't a prerequisite for belief in god.
The bible is just an ancient book written by primitive men, full of irrational, unsubstantiated, and inconsistent absurdities and atrocities. No god is beholden to it.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
who is 666? bible quotes:
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:18)
gematria is a calculation, a number from a name, a word, a phrase. every letter has a number allocated. the amount of all numbers is the number allocated to that word. if in latin alphabet, you allocate to the letter z, the number 1 and to next letters in inverse order of the alphabet, you allocate 2,3,4, etc, until 10, then 10,20,30, etc, until 100, then 100,200,300, etc, until last letter a, the word (name) hitler is 666. h=100, i=90, t=7, l=60, e=400, r=9. this is one of many possible gematries. in "real" gematria, the hebrew alphabet, nero is the only famous person with the number 666.
caesar neron = nron qsr = נרונ קסר
resh (ר) samekh (ס) qoph (ק) nun (נ) vav (ו) resh (ר) nun (נ)
200 + 60 + 100 + 50 + 6 + 200 + 50 = 666
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)
from this quote, we can understand the beast (666) will live two times. what similarities have hitler and nero? both they fought jews, both they killed themselves after they lost the war, both were the biggest killers in the history of humanity, nero killed paul and peter, in one word: 666. maybe God gave two chances to 666 to be a human, but he refused those.

darwin, the first beast:
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Revelation 13:3)
wasn't darwin sick all his life and almost healed in his old age?
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (Revelation 13:4)
who can fight darwin?
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7)
wasn't christianity defeated by darwin all over the world?
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:8)
darwin is the first beast.
"Gozer the Traveller - he will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large and moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants, they chose a new form for him - that of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!"
 

epronovost

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darwin, the first beast:
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Revelation 13:3)
wasn't darwin sick all his life and almost healed in his old age?

No, it would be a slight exageration to say Darwin was sick all his life. Darwin's childhood, teenagerhood and early adult life were unremarkable on that regard, but his later adulthood and duringg his last years, he was indeed plagued by ever increasing symptomes that remained impossible to treat or diagnised properly during his life. Many hypothesis have been suggested that range from various forms of parasite infections or even mental illness linked to stress.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (Revelation 13:4)
who can fight darwin?

Why would you fight a dead man. Darwin wasn't especially mighty either, especially considering his aversion to blood and his health problems mentionned earlier.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7)
wasn't christianity defeated by darwin all over the world?

No, Christianity is still the most popular religion in world at the moment and Darwin's work isn't exactly an obstacle to Christianity unless of course one is a bit crazy.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Revelation 13:8)
darwin is the first beast.

You should maybe try your mind unto art critique instead of conspiracy theories. It would be much better for your social life.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Actually its 616, the bible is wrong
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Papyrus 115 beats a modern bible

Oh and Hitler was a good Christian

Darwin had strong belief in god
Not that I agree with the OP... but before you are saying the bible is wrong:

According to the transcription of the INTF, a conjectured reading of the manuscript, due to the space left, is [χξϛ] η χιϛ (666 or 616), therefore not giving a definite number to the beast.[5]
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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Not that I agree with the OP... but before you are saying the bible is wrong:

According to the transcription of the INTF, a conjectured reading of the manuscript, due to the space left, is [χξϛ] η χιϛ (666 or 616), therefore not giving a definite number to the beast.[5]


Conjectured? I really don't see how anyone can form a different opinion on this than what it actually reads

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I see no space, it looks exactly like XIC to me
 

Kenny

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Premium Member
Conjectured? I really don't see how anyone can form a different opinion on this than what it actually reads

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I see no space, it looks exactly like XIC to me
I'm quoting from the site you referenced. If you have a problem with the site, you might want to refer your complaint to them. :D They might not care about your interpretation though ;)
 
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