The bible and gays

[Leo613]

I can only talk about my own sin. I hated my sin back before I knew God I was angry inside and bitter as a teenager and close to death. It was not until I came to know Christ thins changed. Did they change over night? No they did not. It took years to get where I am at now as a born again. Even after Christ I still fell at times. But I learned about the power of grace. Even when I fall I get back up To qoute a song I love by Bob Carsile the singer who wrote butterfly kisses.

We fall down
We get up
We fall down
We get up
We fall down
We get up
The saints are just the sinners
Who fell down and get up

How did knowing Christ what was it about knowing Christ that helped you

 

[BenTheBeliever]

How did knowing Christ what was it about knowing Christ that helped you

For one knowing his peace. Two God grace and love. Three his freedom. In his freedom we will live. In his freedom we learn what it is like to be whole. With Christ we don't have to worry about tomorrow cause needs are met.

It is also about changing from the inside out. From killing your old self and becoming a new creation in Christ. All old things are passed away. He makes all things new

 

[ether-ore]

I think Sin is a Virtue of Christians. If they ever stopped Sinning they wouldn't be able to pat themselves on the back about being SINNERS.

Sin is not a virtue though Christians recognize that they do sin. It is not a badge of honor but it does serve to keep us humble in terms of recognizing that we need the atonement of Jesus Christ to save us from our sins.

 

[ether-ore]

How does it explain to hate sin not sinner

All of us are children of God. But the unrepentant sin keeps us from being one with Jesus Christ. The sin is to be hated because it is that which keeps us separated from our Father in Heaven. While God loves all of His children, He cannot break or deny His own law which is that no unclean thing can dwell in His presence. We have our agency. If we choose to use is to do those things that keep us from God, then it is those things that are to be detested.

 

[Awoon]

Sin is not a virtue though Christians recognize that they do sin. It is not a badge of honor but it does serve to keep us humble in terms of recognizing that we need the atonement of Jesus Christ to save us from our sins.

Jesus did a lousy job then. You all keep Sinning and Crucifying Jesus over and over.

When you all gonna stop it?

 

[Awoon]

Once you become one with Christ by accepting the gift of salvation God does not see your sin anymore. He only sees the blood of Christ and what he did for you. That is the gift of salvation. I don't care what people say we all deserve hell one way or another. We all have broken God's rule one way or another. But the gift of salvation and grace can make us whole and right with the father once again.

It is truly such a wonderful gift to know in Christ you can be whole and not held down by the old person you used to be!

" But the gift of salvation and grace can make us whole and right with the father once again."

Too bad it doesn't. You all keep Sinning and crucifying Jesus over and over.

 

[ether-ore]

Jesus did a lousy job then. You all keep Sinning and Crucifying Jesus over and over.

When you all gonna stop it?

Repentance is a process, not an event. Compare it to Newton's law of motion. Remember the scene in the movie Apollo Thirteen where they had to fire the rockets to hit a specific point in space? Remember that as the rocket was firing and they had to manually fly the spacecraft? They were all over the place pointing the spacecraft in all kinds of directions. But it is where the spacecraft was pointed when the rocket was turned off that was important, because Newton's law says that that is the direction that the craft will go. The rocket engine is your life and the direction you are going when you die is what is important. The effort to fly a mortal body that is prone to mistakes while the rocket is firing is the repentance process. Jesus Christ understands what we are going through and will forgive as long as we are making all the effort we can. Jesus Christ understands and is merciful to the penitent because "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

 

[BenTheBeliever]

" But the gift of salvation and grace can make us whole and right with the father once again."

Too bad it doesn't. You all keep Sinning and crucifying Jesus over and over.

And you know this how?

 

[Awoon]

And you know this how?

When you stop Sinning you know. Simple

 

[Awoon]

Repentance is a process, not an event. Compare it to Newton's law of motion. Remember the scene in the movie Apollo Thirteen where they had to fire the rockets to hit a specific point in space? Remember that as the rocket was firing and they had to manually fly the spacecraft? They were all over the place pointing the spacecraft in all kinds of directions. But it is where the spacecraft was pointed when the rocket was turned off that was important, because Newton's law says that that is the direction that the craft will go. The rocket engine is your life and the direction you are going when you die is what is important. The effort to fly a mortal body that is prone to mistakes while the rocket is firing is the repentance process. Jesus Christ understands what we are going through and will forgive as long as we are making all the effort we can. Jesus Christ understands and is merciful to the penitent because "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

Now you are trying to convince me of stuff that doesn't concern me. You see, only Christians need to hear what you preach. The NT was written for church (aka sinners), people who follow it.

Stop sinning and you wont need any Bible to lead you.

 

[ether-ore]

Now you are trying to convince me of stuff that doesn't concern me. You see, only Christians need to hear what you preach. The NT was written for church (aka sinners), people who follow it.

Stop sinning and you wont need any Bible to lead you.

Simply to stop sinning (even if that were possible, which it isn't) doesn't solve the problem. That fact that one has ever sinned at all at any time makes the atonement of Jesus Christ necessary. Any sin, however minor, makes one unclean and the only thing that makes the sinner clean is being washed in the blood of the lamb of God who is Jesus Christ.

Repentance creates a change of heart but it doesn't change the fact that sins have occurred prior to repentance. The atonement of Jesus Christ has effect when one keeps repenting as process, which is what makes the individual 'one' with Jesus Christ which in turn enables grace and salvation. Since repentance is a process, we will still need the scriptures to show us the path so that we can know how to repent and what to repent of.

Picture a path leading to eternal life. Running alongside this path is an iron rod. The iron rod is the word of God. The path is covered by mists of darkness which are the cares and temptations of the world. Only by holding onto the iron rod can the individual safely navigate the path and reach eternal life.

 

[Awoon]

Simply to stop sinning (even if that were possible, which it isn't) doesn't solve the problem. That fact that one has ever sinned at all at any time makes the atonement of Jesus Christ necessary. Any sin, however minor, makes one unclean and the only thing that makes the sinner clean is being washed in the blood of the lamb of God who is Jesus Christ. Repentance creates a change of heart but it doesn't change the fact that sins have occurred prior to repentance. The atonement of Jesus Christ has effect when one keeps repenting as process, which is what makes the individual 'one' with Jesus Christ which in turn enables grace and salvation. Since repentance is a process, we will still need the scriptures to show us the path so that we can know how to repent and what to repent of.

Picture a path leading to eternal life. Running alongside this path is an iron rod. The iron rod is the word of God. The path is covered by mists of darkness which are the cares and temptations of the world. Only by holding onto the iron rod can the individual safely navigate the path and reach eternal life.

Simply to stop sinning (even if that were possible, which it isn't) doesn't solve the problem.

I think Jesus gave up on you.

 

[ether-ore]

I think Jesus gave up on you.

And your reasons for believing this are what?... your extensive knowledge of faith, repentance and how the atonement works? I don't think you have a clue.

 

[Awoon]

And your reasons for believing this are what?... your extensive knowledge of faith, repentance and how the atonement works? I don't think you have a clue.

Yet you come back with more preaching. Save it for your sinning church members, they are the ones who need it. Maybe you can convince them what I said earlier, Sin is a Christian Virtue.. The more Sinners the more money, memberships, testimonies and shoulders to cry on.

Been there done that dumped it.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

When you stop Sinning you know. Simple

Yet you are sinning. The only way not to sin anymore is through Christ.

 

[JoStories]

You mean to tell me that you believe that people who are sterile aren't excusable from not having children? as for the rest of your rant... I'll just ignore it since with it, you are off on a tangent.

No. I do not believe that the spirit of man is gay before it reaches the corporeal body. It is my belief that homosexual tendencies occur because of the physical body. It is the desires of the physical body that the spirit needs to overcome for any sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman whether heterosexual of homosexual; according to God's law.

1. The problem with saying a sterile person has an excuse is that you are inferring that they are somehow flawed or IOW, need some excuse and that is just so wrong on so many levels. What of those who choose not to have children and there are many who don't. Are they, too, excused? You use the word excuse and its like some child that has an excuse for not having done their homework. It means in some way the person did something that they need this excuse for and it may be that they were born sterile. In that case, would not have God made them sterile and if so, why would they even need this excuse?
2. Being gay has, or rather is, being traced to be genetic. If that is the case, and you believe God made you, would that not mean that God made them gay? Being gay is not about physical desire Ether. Its an attraction to the same sex. You reduce being gay to nothing more than sex and that is just wrong on so many levels. Do you honestly think that all that gay people do is have sex? Its a ridiculous way of seeing being gay. In your relationship with your wife is all you do have sex? If not, why would you think that of a gay couple?

 

[JoStories]

Simply to stop sinning (even if that were possible, which it isn't) doesn't solve the problem. That fact that one has ever sinned at all at any time makes the atonement of Jesus Christ necessary. Any sin, however minor, makes one unclean and the only thing that makes the sinner clean is being washed in the blood of the lamb of God who is Jesus Christ.

This presupposes that there is a thing called sin, which I do not believe in at all. We make mistakes in life and we learn from them. The idea of sin is unique to the monotheistic faiths. Those three mainstream faiths have one hopping from one foot to the other to try to live up to an ideal. All based on a book written by men, or rather books. If they were not written and compiled by men, how do you explain the extant books that were written and left out? Or that Enoch is not in the Bible but considered a part of it by many anyway?

 

[JoStories]

Yet you are sinning. The only way not to sin anymore is through Christ.

I disagree. This assumes that one is sinning at all which as I already said to Ether-Ore is not true. Sin is only something that can be found in the three faiths. What is sin if not defined by either the Tanahk, NT, or Qu'ran? And each of those faiths defines sin differently. How do you explain that? Even among different denominations of Christianity the notion of sin differs.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Now you are trying to convince me of stuff that doesn't concern me. You see, only Christians need to hear what you preach. The NT was written for church (aka sinners), people who follow it.

Stop sinning and you wont need any Bible to lead you.

Really shows how much you know

 

[BenTheBeliever]

I disagree. This assumes that one is sinning at all which as I already said to Ether-Ore is not true. Sin is only something that can be found in the three faiths. What is sin if not defined by either the Tanahk, NT, or Qu'ran? And each of those faiths defines sin differently. How do you explain that? Even among different denominations of Christianity the notion of sin differs.

That might be true but as a Christian I am following what God says to be sin. And sin leads to the road of death.