psychoslice
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Sorry but I cannot agree with that, its just too imaginative for my way of thinking, there is no god, and so whatever you say means nothing to me, but that thanks.
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The bible and gays
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chessplayer
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God is jealous for His people and not " of " them, there`s a huge difference.
Perhaps this quote explains it better.
“Jealousy” here is from the Greek word zelos and can be either an “intense positive interest in something—zeal—ardor, marked by a sense of dedication” as in 2 Corinthians 11:2,
The the word can refer to “intense negative feelings over another’s achievements or success, jealousy, envy” as in 1 Corinthians 3:3 (Frederick William Danker, The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).
Paul knew that the Corinthians’ faithfulness to the one true God was threatened by the prevalence of sin in their society and by the influence of false teachers. He spoke to the Corinthian members as a father would to a daughter he loved and wanted to protect, because he loved them in that same way. He was on guard for them. Dictionary.com defines jealousy as “vigilance in maintaining or guarding something.”
We all have the desire to guard and protect something or someone we care for, with every available means—to be jealous for them (not of them). This is the sense in which Paul was jealous for the Corinthians, and it is the type of jealousy God feels for His own children as well.
Perhaps this quote explains it better.
“Jealousy” here is from the Greek word zelos and can be either an “intense positive interest in something—zeal—ardor, marked by a sense of dedication” as in 2 Corinthians 11:2,
The the word can refer to “intense negative feelings over another’s achievements or success, jealousy, envy” as in 1 Corinthians 3:3 (Frederick William Danker, The Concise Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament).
Paul knew that the Corinthians’ faithfulness to the one true God was threatened by the prevalence of sin in their society and by the influence of false teachers. He spoke to the Corinthian members as a father would to a daughter he loved and wanted to protect, because he loved them in that same way. He was on guard for them. Dictionary.com defines jealousy as “vigilance in maintaining or guarding something.”
We all have the desire to guard and protect something or someone we care for, with every available means—to be jealous for them (not of them). This is the sense in which Paul was jealous for the Corinthians, and it is the type of jealousy God feels for His own children as well.
Good morning Norman. Some churches act as though they are clubs. Not many, mind you, but I have seen some. One must swear fealty to God and Christ and then pony up 10% of one's earnings to support said church, something I have never understood. I find that God is as Thomas wrote, everywhere and nowhere. There is no need for 'buildings of stone and wood' as God doesn't live there. As for Buddhism, there is no 'church' per se, IMO. There are monasteries, there are some gatherings, etc, but Buddhism is mostly a very solitary faith or rather, path.
Yes, I do. And mom is Passamaquoddy, a member of the Abnaki tribe.
chessplayer
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Surely hundreds of people groups all over the world have justifiable grievances about the destruction of their former way of life by an invading culture.
EG,The highland clearances could be a real excuse for retribution and anger against the English .
I think I know what you are saying , but surely the US people are to be commended for their desire to accommodate and integrate and maintain the NA culture over the years. Part of the problem as I see it is that a large percentage of the NA people embrace the western materialistic culture to the detriment of their own , so there appears to be no one single all embracing solution to the issue.
I know you have done well in this area but I am not being personal but general.
chessplayer
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[QUOTE="psychoslice, post: 4421839, member: 47806"]Sorry but I cannot agree with that, its just too imaginative for my way of thinking, there is no god, and so whatever you say means nothing to me, but that thanks.[/QUOTE]
This world is surely very hard ( impossible ) imo, to imagine without a creator / designer. One who has chosen us among all the planets in the system to bless with perfect balance of everything . The uniquness of our DNA , our fingerprint ,our eyes, , the 50/50 balance of male / female worldwide. The movements of the tides , the beauty of the sunrise / sunsets. A tiny perfect flower. The beautiful variety of trees.. All examples of a loving Creator imo.
The only blot on the landscape is of course the free will of man, which causes all sorts of problems . The other choice God had, I assume ,was whether to make us all puppets and programme us to obey Him . This of course is not love but coercion.
We are made in the image of God , with the ability to create , to love , to destroy , to hate ( people`s actions not people ) , to make beautiful music , art , homes, gardens, parks, landscapes ,
He gave us this ability to create because He enjoys it and He wants us to enjoy it as well.
However we do have an enemy who desires to steal , kill and destroy us , an extension if you like of our free will. He ,the Devil wants our dedication as well.
It is all quite breathtaking sometimes .
HAGD
This world is surely very hard ( impossible ) imo, to imagine without a creator / designer. One who has chosen us among all the planets in the system to bless with perfect balance of everything . The uniquness of our DNA , our fingerprint ,our eyes, , the 50/50 balance of male / female worldwide. The movements of the tides , the beauty of the sunrise / sunsets. A tiny perfect flower. The beautiful variety of trees.. All examples of a loving Creator imo.
The only blot on the landscape is of course the free will of man, which causes all sorts of problems . The other choice God had, I assume ,was whether to make us all puppets and programme us to obey Him . This of course is not love but coercion.
We are made in the image of God , with the ability to create , to love , to destroy , to hate ( people`s actions not people ) , to make beautiful music , art , homes, gardens, parks, landscapes ,
He gave us this ability to create because He enjoys it and He wants us to enjoy it as well.
However we do have an enemy who desires to steal , kill and destroy us , an extension if you like of our free will. He ,the Devil wants our dedication as well.
It is all quite breathtaking sometimes .
HAGD
This world is surely very hard ( impossible ) imo, to imagine without a creator / designer. One who has chosen us among all the planets in the system to bless with perfect balance of everything . The uniquness of our DNA , our fingerprint ,our eyes, , the 50/50 balance of male / female worldwide. The movements of the tides , the beauty of the sunrise / sunsets. A tiny perfect flower. The beautiful variety of trees.. All examples of a loving Creator imo.
The only blot on the landscape is of course the free will of man, which causes all sorts of problems . The other choice God had, I assume ,was whether to make us all puppets and programme us to obey Him . This of course is not love but coercion.
We are made in the image of God , with the ability to create , to love , to destroy , to hate ( people`s actions not people ) , to make beautiful music , art , homes, gardens, parks, landscapes ,
He gave us this ability to create because He enjoys it and He wants us to enjoy it as well.
However we do have an enemy who desires to steal , kill and destroy us , an extension if you like of our free will. He ,the Devil wants our dedication as well.
It is all quite breathtaking sometimes .
HAGD [/QUOTE]
I disagree with you about free will. In my belief system, we make choices for our lives to learn certain things. God has only the wish for us to join with that concept, ultimately after the course of many lifetimes. There is too much for a higher soul/self to learn in one lifetime. The view of God being a tangible being is not one I can accept. For me, God is an energy source, THE energy source.
God loves beauty does He? Hmmm. Apart from the literally thousands of images of God's creations where I could just put "now there's a face only a mother can love" you have to kind of look hard in this world to find beauty. So why not make our own? Art, drama, music, dance and literature often explore humanity and it's many facets. This fascinates us. It's basically our collective cultural identity. That's why art is important to us. It doesn't only speak to us, but it is us. Where we've been, where we are now, where we could potentially be in the future. Now of course I won't pretend to be half as smart as Mr Dennett. I'm only saying this as someone artistically inclined.
I don't know, man. I mean what exactly is aesthetic about worms eating out a child's eye? What exactly is aesthetic or artistic about a woman agonizingly pulling out a tapeworm from her body inch by inch over the span of a year? If you want to say God created everything and then say He is artistic and aesthetic, fine, but you can't just talk about pretty humans. You have to take into account all of creation and calling it all artistic and/or aesthetic can be a tad cruel. Depending on how you look at things.
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Norman
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chessplayer
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The paradoxical thing is that the Bible is seen as a negative , " don`t do this , don`t do that , and a denier of all pleasure book.
The truth is that it is the opposite.
God invented love , joy , peace , contentment , and wants us to enjoy them for eternity. The sacrifice of Jesus makes this possible.
I suspect no one will believe me , as I didn`t believe it either before I became a Christian at age 24.
The truth is that it is the opposite.
God invented love , joy , peace , contentment , and wants us to enjoy them for eternity. The sacrifice of Jesus makes this possible.
I suspect no one will believe me , as I didn`t believe it either before I became a Christian at age 24.
chessplayer
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When I look at the design and balance of the natural world around us , and it`s fine tuning , I think " I want to know this being who is responsible for all this amazing abundance. I want to be on His team ," Jesus makes that possible.
Why wouldn`t we ? the usual answer is that people are inclined towards pride and rebellion , either they don`t know Christ or they are too proud to bend the knee to Him.
Real freedom is in following the Creator , He made us , He knows us , He knows the Way !
Why wouldn`t we ? the usual answer is that people are inclined towards pride and rebellion , either they don`t know Christ or they are too proud to bend the knee to Him.
Real freedom is in following the Creator , He made us , He knows us , He knows the Way !
chessplayer
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As well as our imperfect human nature in this fallen world , we also have a fallen being who is committed to our eternal destruction , he, Satan , is a wolf in sheep`s clothing . He will promise you the Earth but deliver only death, spiritually , physically , emotionally , etc.
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I think it is interesting how the most prosperous and stable countries in the world , free from natural disasters etc are the ones which have a history of active vibrant Christianity.
Look at the 10/40 window ( Latitude , longitude ) This is a general analysis as there are some economic exceptions.
From Wilki.
Analysis
The original 1990 GIS 10/40 Window analysis produced several insights, among them showing that the nations of the 10/40 Window represent (as of the research date):
- 82% of the poorest of the world's poor (per capita GNP less than US$500 per year),[10]
- 84% of those with lowest quality of life (life expectancy, infant mortality, and literacy),[11]
- the hub of the world's major non-Christian religions (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.,)[27][28]
- close to 100% of those who are both most-poor and have least-access to Christian resources (two-dimensional analysis)[29]
- The least Christian resource investment[30] and least sharing of the Christian message[31]
The GIS analysis utilized country-level data from the Operation World[6] almanac, the World Christian Encyclopedia,[7] and the World Factbook.[3]
It is a Christian based analysis , but are non Christians liable to advertise this ?
You are inferring that God created the earth when in fact, we know that life on earth evolved from the primordial ooze. Additionally, you imply that all is wonderful of the earth when in fact there are many things which are not wonderful. Earthquakes, floods, etc. Also you state that either those who don't profess Christianity either don't know God or won't submit to God. What of all the other faiths that exist? Do you have a claim to the concept of God? Can you know that what I believe of God is wrong? No. IMO, freedom is following the path that best suits each one of us and that may or may not be the path you are on.
Prove there is a 'satan'. Until you can do that, this is all pure speculation and belief. Your faith is so dualistic. What makes you think God would want us hopping from one foot to the other? Why would God not want us to follow a path that leads to enlightenment? I applaud your passion of your faith but you have to understand that there are many faiths and they are just as real and possible as your own.
Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates are of the richest countries in the world and they are Islamic
Natural disasters are also rare at best here
Care to name a country that has not been subject to natural disasters? If you are implying the US, what about Katrina? Or the yearly wild fires in the west, or the 5 feet of snow in Buffalo last year or the myriad tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, etc, we have? How about the ice storm here in Maine in the 90's? Many died and many more were hospitalized. And what have those two references to do with what you stated here?
chessplayer
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Hi Jo Stories , hope you are well today .
Sure but the difference is that the West is motivated and able to minimise the effect these problems and correct them . Some people in Haiti are still living in tents after the landslide disaster there ( caused by whatever reason )
I don`t think you could say any Moslem country is a joy to live in , especially if you are female, unless you are of the ruling elite, ask any imported workers .
The two sisters in India who,( it was decided by the local authorities that they,) were to be raped 40 times and paraded through the streets naked as a punishment for their brothers eloping with a different caste girl.
Zimbabwe, when Mugabe took over , immediately , the Korean trained 5th Brigade were dispatched to teach the other tribe , the Matabele , a lesson . Thousands of them were raped and executed and their bodies dumped in local mine shafts.
Islamic traditions. from Wilki.
The incidence of honor killings is very difficult to determine and estimates vary widely. In most countries data on honor killings is not collected systematically, and many of these killings are reported by the families as suicides or accidents and registered as such.[12][13][14] Although honor killings are often associated with the Asian continent, especially the Middle East and South Asia, they occur all over the world.[15][16] In 2000, the United Nations estimated that 5,000 women were victims of honor killings each year.[17] According to BBC, "Women's advocacy groups, however, suspect that more than 20,000 women are killed worldwide each year."[18] Murder is not the only form of honor crime, other crimes such as acid attacks, abduction, mutilations, beatings occur; in 2010 the UK police recorded at least 2,823 such crimes.
I could go on .
Good afternoon Chess Player. I am well, I hope you are too.
If you wish to compare countries, we can. There was a case of a Black American woman kept captive by a family of Christian racists for several years for many tasks, including being raped and such but mostly as a slave. This was recent. I believe in Ohio or somewhere in that area.
Here are some more:
Benjamin Haskell, 22, Michael Jacques, 24, and Thomas Gleason, 21, all of Springfield, Mass., were arrested on January 16, 2009 for allegedly burning and entirely destroying the Macedonia Church of God in Christ, a predominantly African-American congregation's nearly completed new church building. The building was burned to the ground on Nov. 5, 2008, hours after the election of President Barack Obama. Investigators determined the fire was caused by gasoline applied to the exterior and interior of the building. The three men were indicted by a federal grand jury on January 27, 2009 for conspiring to burn the church in retaliation for the election results.
On Election Night 2008, Ralph Nicoletti and Michael Contreras, both 18, and Brian Carranza, 21, of Staten Island, New York decided shortly after learning of Barack Obama's election victory "to find African Americans to assault," according to a federal indictment and other court filings. The men then drove to a predominantly African-American neighborhood in Staten Island, where they came upon a 17 year-old African American who was walking home after watching the election at a friend's house. One of the defendants yelled "Obama!" Then, the men got out of the car and beat the youth with a metal pipe and a collapsible police baton, injuring his head and legs. The men went on to commit additional assaults that night.
3. The murder of 9 people by Dylan Roof in an African American church.
4. The murder of Mark Carson in Greenwich, CT, for being gay.
I could go on but I think you see that its alive and well here. As for women in Muslim countries, I support them leaving and coming here or elsewhere, if that is their choice. It is not sometimes. But yes, its a hard life there.