The Bible and Homosexuality

[ziggy2737]

Your God says nothing in the Bible, it was written by mankind to put a control on the people.

 

[Harmonious]

Your God says nothing in the Bible, it was written by mankind to put a control on the people.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

 

[ziggy2737]

Your god says nothing in the bible, it was written by men to scare & control mankind.

 

[Harmonious]

Your god says nothing in the bible, it was written by men to scare & control mankind.

So you say. You are welcome to your beliefs.

 

[sojourner]

I'm not with the Westboro Baptists, condemning people, protesting their actions. I'm not being cruel and vicious, or tearing into people's rights. As a matter of fact, a few pages ago, I very much stated that I was FOR governmental rights of homosexuals.

I don't see why people on both sides have to make this an all-or-nothing proposition. I happen to exegete the passages that some say allude to an injunction against homosexuality differently than you do. But I respect your right to not agree with homosexuality for yourself, as a Jewish person -- so long as that disagreement doesn't seek to bind other people from doing what they feel is right for themselves.

 

[Harmonious]

I don't see why people on both sides have to make this an all-or-nothing proposition. I happen to exegete the passages that some say allude to an injunction against homosexuality differently than you do. But I respect your right to not agree with homosexuality for yourself, as a Jewish person -- so long as that disagreement doesn't seek to bind other people from doing what they feel is right for themselves.

My belief system says that it is wrong. Full stop. Not just for me, but for anyone.

I also said that people who don't share my belief system will do what they want. I am allowed to believe they are wrong for acting against my belief system.

They have the right to do what they want. I have the right to believe that homosexual liaisons are sinful. I don't have to agree or even accept their decision.

I'm not allowed to stop them. As a decent human being, I wouldn't comment on it. My sister's sister-in-law is in a lesbian marriage, and they are happy. I don't say anything against them. I still think their union is sinful. I don't fuss about it, and I'm happy for their happiness and their child who is loved.

People have the right to believe my belief system is wrong. They have that right.

They don't have the right to assume that I'm violating anyone else's rights for simply holding my beliefs. I'm not controlling anyone. I'm not hurting anyone, and I'm not assuming anyone else has to adhere to my belief system.

 

[allright]

Why is the sin of homosexuality such a focus for you?[/quote]

Are you kidding? Thats whats this thread is about

I only posted on this thread because the person on the video is misrepresenting what the Bible teaches

In my own life I treat everyone with respect whether their Christian or not
If I get the chance I urge them to accept Jesus of their own free will for their own eternal salvation.
If they chose not to, they can live however they want.

 

[sojourner]

My belief system says that it is wrong. Full stop. Not just for me, but for anyone.

I also said that people who don't share my belief system will do what they want. I am allowed to believe they are wrong for acting against my belief system.

They have the right to do what they want. I have the right to believe that homosexual liaisons are sinful. I don't have to agree or even accept their decision.

I'm not allowed to stop them. As a decent human being, I wouldn't comment on it. My sister's sister-in-law is in a lesbian marriage, and they are happy. I don't say anything against them. I still think their union is sinful. I don't fuss about it, and I'm happy for their happiness and their child who is loved.

People have the right to believe my belief system is wrong. They have that right.

They don't have the right to assume that I'm violating anyone else's rights for simply holding my beliefs. I'm not controlling anyone. I'm not hurting anyone, and I'm not assuming anyone else has to adhere to my belief system.

You can believe what you want. But what you can't do is act on those beliefs when those actions harm others.

 

[sojourner]

Why is the sin of homosexuality such a focus for you?

Are you kidding? Thats whats this thread is about

I only posted on this thread because the person on the video is misrepresenting what the Bible teaches

In my own life I treat everyone with respect whether their Christian or not
If I get the chance I urge them to accept Jesus of their own free will for their own eternal salvation.
If they chose not to, they can live however they want.[/quote]
How?
How is the bible being misrepresented here?
Can you provide solid, scholastic evidence of that misrepresentation?
Or is this simply your unsupportable opinion?

 

[allright]

Are you kidding? Thats whats this thread is about

I only posted on this thread because the person on the video is misrepresenting what the Bible teaches

In my own life I treat everyone with respect whether their Christian or not
If I get the chance I urge them to accept Jesus of their own free will for their own eternal salvation.
If they chose not to, they can live however they want.

How?
How is the bible being misrepresented here?
Can you provide solid, scholastic evidence of that misrepresentation?
Or is this simply your unsupportable opinion?[/quote]

You cant explain to a blind man the colors of the rainbow.
If you really want to understand the Bible you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and he will lead into all the truth. You wont have to rely on "elastic evidence" which can be stretched any way a person chooses

 

[idea]

They don't have the right to assume that I'm violating anyone else's rights for simply holding my beliefs. I'm not controlling anyone. I'm not hurting anyone, and I'm not assuming anyone else has to adhere to my belief system.

I agree.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Are you kidding? Thats whats this thread is about

I only posted on this thread because the person on the video is misrepresenting what the Bible teaches

In my own life I treat everyone with respect whether their Christian or not
If I get the chance I urge them to accept Jesus of their own free will for their own eternal salvation.
If they chose not to, they can live however they want.

Ok, allow me to repeat the question in yet another way in hopes of you finally coming to an understanding.

Why is your focus on Homosexuality where Leviticus is concerned? Why is that the only law you care about people breaking? If all of Leviticus is legitimate then shouldn't you be urging people to stay away from seafood restaurants and Poly-Cotton blends? The fact that you only care about that one passage and let all the rest fall to the wayside shows that you don't really respect God's laws at all, you are just using the one passage to enforce your own prejudices rather than Gods will. Until you can justify the use of only one passage in Leviticus then there is no reason to believe that you are honestly representing Gods will. So? Care to answer the question now?

 

[InfidelRiot]

If you really want to understand the Bible you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and he will lead into all the truth.

Considering that different denominations of Christianity where each one differently interprets the scripture yet each also claim to fully accept Jesus as their lord and savior in order to have led them to the truth, it is apparently clear that one sticks to a certain interpretation and denomination merely to comfort one's belief which happens to coincide with the interpretation. Therefore, if one believes that same-sex marriage should be illegal, the individual uses that predisposition to mold himself to the perfect denomination within that faith so that it mirrors his way of thinking and s/he can then claim justified bigotry in the name of that faith. This, of course, is more in reference to fundamentalists than the average Christian.

 

[McBell]

You cant explain to a blind man the colors of the rainbow.
If you really want to understand the Bible you need to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and he will lead into all the truth. You wont have to rely on "elastic evidence" which can be stretched any way a person chooses

So the only thing you got to support your claim that the OP is misrepresenting the Bible is:

Believe as I do and you will agree with me?
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ironic that you talk about "elastic evidence" when you do not even present evidence...

 

[allright]

Ok, allow me to repeat the question in yet another way in hopes of you finally coming to an understanding.

Why is your focus on Homosexuality where Leviticus is concerned? Why is that the only law you care about people breaking? If all of Leviticus is legitimate then shouldn't you be urging people to stay away from seafood restaurants and Poly-Cotton blends? The fact that you only care about that one passage and let all the rest fall to the wayside shows that you don't really respect God's laws at all, you are just using the one passage to enforce your own prejudices rather than Gods will. Until you can justify the use of only one passage in Leviticus then there is no reason to believe that you are honestly representing Gods will. So? Care to answer the question now?

What is not clear to you This thread is "Does the Bible say homosexuality is sin"
not wether its right, not wether the Bible is true not wether I eat shell fish, not anything else

 

[McBell]

What is not clear to you This thread is "Does the Bible say homosexuality is sin"
not wether its right, not wether the Bible is true not wether I eat shell fish, not anything else

I understand that you do not want to discuss your blatant hypocrisy.
However, the fact of the matter remains that the point brought up with shellfish is relevant to this thread.

 

[allright]

So the only thing you got to support your claim that the OP is misrepresenting the Bible is:

Believe as I do and you will agree with me?
​

Yes exactly
Its all over the Bible that if someone doesnt want the truth God will give them over to believing a lie

 

[allright]

I understand that you do not want to discuss your blatant hypocrisy.
However, the fact of the matter remains that the point brought up with shellfish is relevant to this thread.

I am not the issue, its what the Bible says
Even if I eat shell fish and rob banks it doesnt change what the Bible says is sin

 

[McBell]

Yes exactly
Its all over the Bible that if someone doesnt want the truth God will give them over to believing a lie

Ah. so you freely admit that you have absolutely nothing but your opinion to support your opinion.

Well, thank you for your honesty.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

What is not clear to you This thread is "Does the Bible say homosexuality is sin"
not wether its right, not wether the Bible is true not wether I eat shell fish, not anything else

Once again, I will try to explain why the question is important. You are offering us proof of what is sin by what is written in Leviticus. For us to accept your proof, we must at least believe that you believe what you are saying. If you do not condemn eating shellfish and wearing Poly-Cotton blends as sinful then that tells us you do not take the laws of your God seriously and consequently we don't need to take you seriously. If you follow all the laws you God has given you with equal fervor then we could accept you as someone who is devout in his believe instead of someone who is just looking for bible passages to uphold his prejudice.

This is why we want to know.