The Bible and Homosexuality

[allright]

According to you

accoring to the Bible



so then why don't you follow all OT laws and commands?

Ive already answered this in a previous post



So one guys testimony vs experts years of research. I think I'll stick to the experts researching. Especially considering that many people have tried to change their sexuality and failed

The Bible says they cant changed on their own, only by accepting Jesus and yes many go back as do heterosexuals


The bibles standards sure don't apply to me

They do whether you want them to or not

You mean hell actually exists? What proof do you have? Or is it just an empty claim?

Jesus said so
Jesus said " If you dont believe my words, than believe because of my mracles"
thats all the proof you probably going to get

 

[McBell]

The Bibles standards apply to everyone

:biglaugh:

First, you will have to get all the Bible standardists to actually agree on what the Bible says...

Good luck with that

 

[sojourner]

The only "Christians" who would fall for this drivel were probably never serious Christians to begin with.

What defines a "serious" Christian, as opposed to... what? A "Joke" Christian?

What God calls sin in the Old Testament is sin in the New and no amount of human
reasoning is going to change it.

1) God doesn't name anything. The writers call sin "sin," not God. No amount of human reasoning can refute that reality.
2) Apparently not, because you will say later that when Jesus died, some laws were done. Meaning that some things that were sin in the OT are not sin in the NT.

 

[sojourner]

God clearly says in the Bible any sex outside of marriage is sin. According to a recent poll that covers 99% of Americans. The Bibles standards apply to everyone
Youre the one hurting people by telling them what there doing is okay when its going to send them to hell forever

The bible's standards are for those who believe and hold the bible as sacred text. Who determines what those standards are? How is that determination made?

 

[BBTimeless]

This thread is about homosexuality and the Bible. The Bible says all people are sinners who need to be saved including me,
You trying to say I just single out this special group and its not true.

Sure it is. YOU read scripture. YOU came to a conclusion. Based on YOUR conclusion YOU believe it is a sin.

 

[McBell]

Sure it is. YOU read scripture. YOU came to a conclusion. Based on YOUR conclusion YOU believe it is a sin.

I predict an appeal to numbers fallacy in reply to your post...

 

[sojourner]

The Old Testament law was for those who had entered into covenant with God .

Wait! I thought you just said that the bible's standards were for everyone. Are you saying that everyone has entered into covenant with God?

And yes serious sin inside the camp (Church)
was punished with death so the rest of his people would stand in fear and not throw away their lives

I don't notice the church punishing people with death these days. Does that mean that the church has departed from the bible?

Under the new covenant Christians who chose to live in unrepentannt sin are to be put out of the church.

Cite page, section, paragraph, and line of the Covenant where that stipulation is made, please.

The punishment of being put to physical death by those in the church for certain sins was ended with the new covenant.

Why? Why was it ended?

 

[McBell]

The Old Testament law was for those who had entered into covenant with God . And yes serious sin inside the camp (Church)
was punished with death so the rest of his people would stand in fear and not throw away their lives

Under the new covenant Christians who chose to live in unrepentannt sin are to be put out of the church. The punishment of being put to physical death by those in the church for certain sins was ended with the new covenant.

As for things the Bible says being terrifying. Hebrews says "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"

So the Bible is a big supporter of capital punishment.
Good to know...

 

[sojourner]

I totally support all the Bible and the laws

...except for the ones that you say are no longer valid.

You dont understand the Bible or the covenants

If you think the bible is against homosexuality, then you don't understand the bible. Or the covenants.

The ceremonial law and the laws about food etc ended with Jesus death and resurrection.
The ceremonial law and offering of sacrifices were all part of the law of Moses and were all centered in the Temple.
Jesus replaced all that and in 70AD God let the Temple be destroyed which made it no longer possible to fulfil most of the law of Moses
even if someone wanted to.

Oh, I see. but sexual law -- all sexual law -- remains intact?
alllllrighty, then! Let's take a peek, shall we?
Wives subordinate to husbands, interfaith marriage forbidden, arranged marriages for young girls the norm, brides who cannot prove virginity are stoned to death.

Want more?
Concubines: Abraham = 2, Gideon = 1, nahor = 1, Jacob = 1, Eliphaz = 1, Caleb = 2, Manassash = 1, Solomon = 300, Belshazzar = more than 1.

Want to continue? OK:
Genesis 16: man acquires wife's property, including her slaves.
Polygamy: Lamech = 2 wives, Easu = 3, Jacob = 2, Ashur = 2, Gideon = many, Elkanah = 2, David = many, Solomon = 700, Rehaboam = 3, Abijah = 14.

What about levirate marriage? Are you aware that, if your wife does not bear you a son, she's required, by biblical law to marry your brother?

Virgins who are raped must marry their rapist, according to biblical law.

Slave owners can assign female slaves to male slaves, and the women must submit to their new husbands.

Homosexual marriage is looking better all the time!

Thats why the rabbis got together around 90AD and made up Rabonic Judiasm

it's rabbinic Judaism.

 

[sojourner]

I had to repent of it when I became a Christian and so does anyone else who wants to become one.

"Had" to repent of it...
"Had" sounds more like an obligation than an actual change of heart. Repentance means that one wants to give it up -- not must give it up. Perhaps you need to consider whether repentance is what you thought it was...

 

[sojourner]

I said the Bible says any sex outside the man woman mariage is sin.

concubines aren't in the marriage relationship...

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Oh yippee. Here we go again.

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Grew up Christian, hated myself for my orientation. Begged, prayed, cried, repented again and again and again for courage, strength, and peace of mind as I sought to be straight. After 20 years of self-loathing and nearly putting a gun to my head in spite of countless hours in prayer, reading the Bible, and engaging in Bible study groups, I let it go and found a practice that works for me, gives me room to truly give and receive love, and helps me to forgive my transgressors.

Now that that's out on the table, I'm off to watch the video and will comment on the OP.

 

[sojourner]

This thread is about homosexuality and the Bible.

M'kay. So... if we allow homosexual to become married, then they won't be living in sin anymore.

 

[BBTimeless]

I predict an appeal to numbers fallacy in reply to your post...

Hmm? Sorry, I don't follow.

 

[sojourner]

Oh yippee. Here we go again.

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Grew up Christian, hated myself for my orientation. Begged, prayed, cried, repented again and again and again for courage, strength, and peace of mind as I sought to be straight. After 20 years of self-loathing and nearly putting a gun to my head in spite of countless hours in prayer, reading the Bible, and engaging in Bible study groups, I let it go and found a practice that works for me, gives me room to truly give and receive love, and helps me to forgive my transgressors.

Now that that's out on the table, I'm off to watch the video and will comment on the OP.

I have a very good friend who tried for years to not be gay. He was seriously suicidal until he accepted his orientation and got on with life.

 

[BBTimeless]

Oh yippee. Here we go again.

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt. Grew up Christian, hated myself for my orientation. Begged, prayed, cried, repented again and again and again for courage, strength, and peace of mind as I sought to be straight. After 20 years of self-loathing and nearly putting a gun to my head in spite of countless hours in prayer, reading the Bible, and engaging in Bible study groups, I let it go and found a practice that works for me, gives me room to truly give and receive love, and helps me to forgive my transgressors.

Now that that's out on the table, I'm off to watch the video and will comment on the OP.

From what I understand this type of sequence is common, I am glad you found acceptance!

 

[9Westy9]

accoring to the Bible

correction: according to your interpretation of the bible

Ive already answered this in a previous post

In which case why is the law about homosexuality still relevant and the one about eating shellfish irrelevant

The Bible says they cant changed on their own, only by accepting Jesus

and the bible knows everything about biology

Jesus said so
Jesus said " If you dont believe my words, than believe because of my mracles"
thats all the proof you probably going to get

So it's just a "jesus said so" argument. In which case I'll ignore everything you just said about me going to hell.

 

[allright]

M'kay. So... if we allow homosexual to become married, then they won't be living in sin anymore.

God only recognizes marriage between a man and a woman

 

[BBTimeless]

God only recognizes marriage between a man and a woman

 

[fallingblood]

The only "Christians" who would fall for this drivel were probably never serious Christians to begin with.

Or maybe Christians who are actually accepting of others, who love their neighbors, and don't judge others. You know, things that Jesus (and Paul) said to do so.

What God calls sin in the Old Testament is sin in the New and no amount of human
reasoning is going to change it.

Non-Jews (such as Christians) have never needed or been advised to follow the laws in the OT. Paul states this pretty clearly as well. So there really needs to be no human reasoning. One just has to read the Bible.

And as for the argument its biological and cant be changed, theres a brother in my church who was as deep into homosexuality as you can get. He was a homosexual prostitue working the streets. He repented of his sin and received Jesus as his Lord annd Savior.
Hes been married now over 20 years with a beautiful wife and four children, the oldest just entering college and is as faithful a Christian as you will ever meet

And now he is denying who he is. Isn't the first time. Pretty much all credible research on the subject shows that one can not switch their sexuality. One simply can't do that. People are born that way (and that is what all research really says).

There are many gay and lesbian individuals who have raised families. They do so not because they are being true to themselves, but because other people are so intolerant that they have to lie to themselves. And many times, it ends up bad for everyone.

The Old Testament law was for those who had entered into covenant with God . And yes serious sin inside the camp (Church)
was punished with death so the rest of his people would stand in fear and not throw away their lives

The death penalty was very rare. To actually get approval for the death penalty, there was a lot of hoops. So really, people weren't punished with death.

I totally support all the Bible and the laws

You dont understand the Bible or the covenants

The ceremonial law and the laws about food etc ended with Jesus death and resurrection.

You obviously don't support all the Bible and laws if you don't follow the ceremonial law and the laws about food. So you are picking and choosing what you want.

The problem here is you dont like what the Bible says as clear as a pin. All sex outside the man woman marriage is sin

I think it is you who don't like what the Bible says. Concubines were no problem. A wife's maid was no problem either. After all, who did Abraham have his first son through? Not his wife.

I said the Bible says any sex outside the man woman mariage is sin.

The Bible also says we are all guilty of sin. So you're just as guilty. The Bible also says that we shouldn't judge others, because we are also guilty. It also states that we can all be forgiven. You're really picking and choosing here.

God only recognizes marriage between a man and a woman

Says who? The Bible never states that marriage is one man and one woman. So I think you're just making things up.

Basically, you are just intolerant of others, and in fact, ignoring much of what the Bible says in order to justify your hate.