The Bible and Homosexuality

[MysticSang'ha]

I have a very good friend who tried for years to not be gay. He was seriously suicidal until he accepted his orientation and got on with life.

I'm happy he did. Personally, it's a world of difference now. First 20 years were pure hell. The last 20 years have been much better with full acceptance and without the self-loathing.

From what I understand this type of sequence is common, I am glad you found acceptance!

Thank you! :foryou:

 

[Curious George]

The problem here is you dont like what the Bible says as clear as a pin. All sex outside the man woman marriage is sin

I had to repent of it when I became a Christian and so does anyone else who wants to become one.[/quote]

Okay so first thing is first: Ad hominem arguments are not logical.

Second: Do not presume to know what I like or do not like

Now, let us get to the meat of the argument. I am granting you some major concessions here. For the sake of the argument I am accepting there is a God. Next, for the sake of argument, I am accepting that this God is YHWH. Then, I am accepting there was a person, Jesus. Then I am accepting that Jesus was indeed the son of God. Then, I am accepting that the bible was written by the supposed authors, and finally I am accepting, for the sake, of the argument that those works which comprised the bible were inspired by God.

All you have to do here is prove to me that your interpretation of the bible is correct.

I had to repent of it when I became a Christian and so does anyone else who wants to become one.

For your homosexuality?

 

[Gjallarhorn]

God only recognizes marriage between a man and a woman

You just attempted to equate God with human government.

Might want to go take a long shower to wash that shame off.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I discovered a YouTube video that Christians against homosexuality should view. I even had many Christian friends inform me that the video changed their viewpoint on the subject.

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The Gay Debate: The Bible and Homosexuality - YouTube

I haven't been able to watch all of it, since I gotta head out to the studio soon. But so far, for a young man at 21, he speaks remarkably well and conveys his points thoroughly and with understanding and compassion toward the critics of his argument.

 

[Curious George]

...

Some points to consider based on what you have said:

Homosexuality is not sex itself

male prostitutes who exchange sexual favors for money do not necessarily have to be homosexuals. In fact, even you could do it- If you wanted to give it a whirl

The Bible that we have now is a result of translation. Moreover, the bible we have now is not necessarily the complete bible. The versus you could give to support your claim are subject to interpretation.

And finally, homophobic behavior can often stem from homoerotic fantasies and self-loathing.

 

[allright]

Basically, you are just intolerant of others, and in fact, ignoring much of what the Bible says in order to justify your hate.

Basically what your doing isr twisting and perverting what the Bible says to justify your own sin and that of others

 

[Curious George]

Basically, you are just intolerant of others, and in fact, ignoring much of what the Bible says in order to justify your hate.

Basically what your doing isr twisting and perverting what the Bible says to justify your own sin and that of others

Ironic

But, I am not. I am expecting you, an adult, to justify the bold statements you make. I am perfectly willing to admit you are right if you can do this successfully. I actually have no stake in the matter.

When people jump into a discussion and start making bold claims, then those people should be able to support those claims. Otherwise, they must just be talking (or typing in this case) to marvel at their own speech (or writing).

And I am pretty sure there is more of a consensus in Christianity regarding pride as a sin than homosexuality as a sin.

 

[oldbadger]

This is to Allright...... You are a Christian. Leaving out anything that anyone else said or wrote, please quote something that Jesus is reported to have said that suggests that homosexuals are in any way wrong, or naughty, or unholy. I am heterosexual, by chance, but interested in the absolute destruction of all forms of prejudice...... I get a feeling that Jesus was, as well. Come on... teach me something. All the best, oldbadger

 

[allright]

This is to Allright...... You are a Christian. Leaving out anything that anyone else said or wrote, please quote something that Jesus is reported to have said that suggests that homosexuals are in any way wrong, or naughty, or unholy. I am heterosexual, by chance, but interested in the absolute destruction of all forms of prejudice...... I get a feeling that Jesus was, as well. Come on... teach me something. All the best, oldbadger

Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away before one dot of the law will become void"

The law "if a man lies with another man as with a woman it is an abomination"

 

[allright]

You just attempted to equate God with human government.

No I didnt.

 

[oldbadger]

To Allright..... Thanks for replying.......... Please guide me to that quote.... matthew? Mark? Luke? (I guess it was John!). Many times I have heard it said that Jesus would say things such as 'They told you to do you this, but I say ........' constantly changing the old laws into simple laws such as love, understanding, forgiveness etc....... so I need to go and read this quote now...... please will you help? all the best, oldbadger.

 

[allright]

To Allright..... Thanks for replying.......... Please guide me to that quote.... matthew? Mark? Luke? (I guess it was John!). Many times I have heard it said that Jesus would say things such as 'They told you to do you this, but I say ........' constantly changing the old laws into simple laws such as love, understanding, forgiveness etc....... so I need to go and read this quote now...... please will you help? all the best, oldbadger.

Mathew 5:17-19

 

[Gjallarhorn]

No I didnt.

At the very least, you stated that government should be a theocracy, otherwise there is no reason to equate God's views on gay marriage with the government's views on it.

 

[allright]

At the very least, you stated that government should be a theocracy, otherwise there is no reason to equate God's views on gay marriage with the government's views on it.

When did I say anything about governments or their laws.

This thread is about what the Bible is saying.

 

[sojourner]

Basically, you are just intolerant of others, and in fact, ignoring much of what the Bible says in order to justify your hate.

Basically what your doing isr twisting and perverting what the Bible says to justify your own sin and that of others

did you even bother to watch the video? His presentation is exegetically spot-on.

 

[sojourner]

Jesus said "Heaven and earth will pass away before one dot of the law will become void"

The law "if a man lies with another man as with a woman it is an abomination"

Wait! You said that the law died with Jesus on the cross. So... which is it?

Additionally, when the term "abomination" is used, it is generally something that is culturally -- not morally -- specific.

 

[oldbadger]

To Allright...... Yep! Got it.... read it.... seen it. Saddened....... even though I am not a Christian. I held Matthew's book above all others when I last read the bible, a long time ago (1994), and I need to read Matthew again and think about this. I can't kid you.... I will be looking for contrary quotes, because I can't let prejudice win. That's me, off reading for a day or so! All the best, and thankyou for your trouble.... oldbadger

 

[waitasec]

The only "Christians" who would fall for this drivel were probably never serious Christians to begin with.
What God calls sin in the Old Testament is sin in the New and no amount of human
reasoning is going to change it.
And as for the argument its biological and cant be changed, theres a brother in my church who was as deep into homosexuality as you can get. He was a homosexual prostitue working the streets. He repented of his sin and received Jesus as his Lord annd Savior.
Hes been married now over 20 years with a beautiful wife and four children, the oldest just entering college and is as faithful a Christian as you will ever meet

wait a second...

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

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Dr. Laura Gets a Response from a U.S. Citizen

 

[allright]

did you even bother to watch the video? His presentation is exegetically spot-on.

Its false teaching trying to use human reason to nullify what the Bible clearly says
is sin.

 

[fallingblood]

Basically what your doing isr twisting and perverting what the Bible says to justify your own sin and that of others

Not at all. Reading the Bible in order to support intolerance of others is twisting the Bible. When Jesus and Paul stress that the greatest commandment is to love one another (or that is the whole of the law) and that we shouldn't judge others, to then go and discriminate others is perverting the Bible. You're only justifying your own hatred and intolerance.